By in Writing

Are you leaving Bubblews over the change in revenue share?

Bubblews has made massive changes to the site this week that affect international users. Today it has announced a maximum of one redemption per month, and has also lowered the revenue share without any prior warning. Content that should be earning dollars is now earning pennies. And because the site is now hiding all our page views from sight, every user is already at a disadvantage when it comes to figuring what we ought to be earning. If you have not already left the site, will these new changes cause you to look for other venues for your work?

I have already left Bubblews and boy am I glad I did

2 votes / 5% 2 votes / 5 %

I left Bubblews or put writing there on hold when they announced longer wait times for international users.

1 votes / 2% 1 votes / 2 %

This is the last straw I am done with Bubblews and I will be moving my content to other sites that treat their users better.

0 votes / 0% 0 votes

I will only publish occasionally on Bubblews now, just to keep my account open until they pay off redemptions I am owed.

10 votes / 25% 10 votes / 25 %

I was only publishing potato posts there anyway, so this changes very little for me.

2 votes / 5% 2 votes / 5 %

I will continue to Bubble despite the changes. Every little bit helps

22 votes / 55% 22 votes / 55 %

Other please elaborate below

3 votes / 7% 3 votes / 7 %
This poll has received 40 vote(s) so far.

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Comments

Randajad_The_Traveller wrote on October 14, 2014, 6:22 PM

I think they have the same rates with personapaper now.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 14, 2014, 6:45 PM

Was there any clarification offered by the admin, Randajad? If they're offering the same rates (or less than) as PP, I suspect there will be a major migration!

Randajad_The_Traveller wrote on October 14, 2014, 6:56 PM

that is only my theory since people noticed a decreased in earnings and based on my observation. My earnings there is not similar to PP

Platespinner wrote on October 14, 2014, 7:19 PM

I didn't vote in your poll because I don't yet know what I am going to do. I don't need the money, I was never really writing for the money. At the same time I appreciated the opportunity to earn and enjoyed watching the bank creep up.

The current big of cloak and dagger manuevering strikes me as a tad underhanded and the new lack of transparency makes me feel that Bubbling is a bit like gambling. Write a post and wonder how much will it earn, will it earn anything, will I ever actually get paid if it does earn anything.

LoudMan wrote on October 14, 2014, 7:28 PM

I chose the first option and boy am I glad I did. I just still have to finish moving some content. Much might go over to my blahhhg.

bestwriter wrote on October 14, 2014, 7:34 PM

I have not seen any post about the dip in rates. Where did you read it?

Bensen32 wrote on October 14, 2014, 8:01 PM

Everyone is all freaking out and some will leave and some will stay. I personally will stick around at least till the dust settles down and see then.

bestwriter wrote on October 14, 2014, 8:04 PM

I checked some tabs in the Bank section. I do not have any history of redemptions it appears And neither have I made any claims for my delayed redemeptions. something is fishy or shall I say it stinks.

chatombreux wrote on October 14, 2014, 8:23 PM

I will not leave. I think they're doing what they have to do.

alexdg1 wrote on October 14, 2014, 9:00 PM

The fixed rate of a penny per interaction (view, like, and comment) was unsustainable. Anyone with any know-how about ad rates and online revenue can tell you that Bubblews' business model was bound to:

1, Attract a huge number of members who are only in it for the money.
2. Fail to achieve the idealistic dreams of its founders.

Feisty56 wrote on October 14, 2014, 9:02 PM

I am unsure as to how I will proceed. I've been less active there and more active here of late and haven't regretted the decision. I think you'd have to classify me as "wait and see."

LeaPea2417 wrote on October 14, 2014, 9:24 PM

That is how I am right now, "wait and see"

Scorpie wrote on October 14, 2014, 10:10 PM

The cure for the bubble ooze is .5ml itraconazole oral solution daily plus plenty of rest.

NickRThomas wrote on October 14, 2014, 10:33 PM

A cut in rates was on the cards but so many changes at once have shocked a large number of members. Comments now seem to count for a lot more there in many cases.

BarbRad wrote on October 14, 2014, 11:54 PM

I just redeemed today. I made $15 over the weekend. Can someone tell me where to find any announcements on any change in pay rate? I see the change in redemption times, but nothing about a change in rate. Or was this, as usual, posted in a comment somewhere that hardly anyone will see?

AliCanary wrote on October 14, 2014, 11:55 PM

I'll keep my account open to see whether they will pay me, now that they have instituted the tracking info on the bank page. Where did you get the rate information, though, Kyla? All I got out of Avi's article was that they were hiding PVs but would still pay us for them, although the amount doesn't seem to be stated.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:24 AM

I think you may be right! I should have earned well over $2.50 there today, just on three posts I published before going out (guessing for the page views and probably under-estimating by 50 cents or so.) I've earned maybe 75 cents, so I figure at most they're paying 0.003 per view/like/comment.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:28 AM

"A tad underhanded"? To say the least! It feels really wrong. I'm very disappointed that they did it like this, because it makes them look like they are just lowering the revenue share out of greed. I don't think that's true at all. I think they have a cash flow problem. I've known for a while that the site wasn't sustainable unless something changed. I just think they did it all the wrong way. I'm hurt.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:30 AM

If you are removing things, could you please let us know if they are subtracting money from your bank for the page views & such? They claim to be restoring monies previously subtracted, but I never got compensation for the $1.70 or whatever it was that they took away from me when I deleted my own post. Nor for the post they deleted.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:33 AM

I have seen two people claim "everyone" is freaking out. So far, I haven't seen anyone show any signs of panic. What I've seen is people asking for explanations, which I think is reasonable.

As for waiting for the dust to settle, I imagine I'm going to do the same. If I can't earn there anymore, I'll likely start moving content elsewhere.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:40 AM

Read Arvind's latest post. He mentions that the site needs to be sustainable, and that they're bringing rates more in line with what other sites pay. There are no specifics as to what they're paying PLUS they've hidden the page view (usually our largest stat for any post) so we can't see how much we've really earned. That smells pretty fishy...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:42 AM

Grace, the only redemption that shows on my history is one I requested last night. Apparently only redemptions since October 10th will show. That being said, they've asked that we report all overdue redemptions (past 35 days for all older payments) even if they were already reported. There's a new form on the bank page, which I'm going to use tomorrow.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:43 AM

Do you feel you'll still make decent money on Bubblews?

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:44 AM

That's my main concern: will it still be worthwhile, money-wise?

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:48 AM

I think most people understood that. At least, I did & so did most of my long time writing friends. That doesn't change the fact that they had a lot of choices along the way that would have made the site more sustainable without dropping a bomb on users like they did today. One of the things they could have been doing months ago was to cap the membership and deal with plagiarism before it got out of hand. I think they knew that, too.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:53 AM

I think that's where I am for now too. I'm tired tonight, and won't do any writing now that I'm home. But I think tomorrow I'll be looking into some new writing strategies!

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:56 AM

I do think the fact that they announced one change but sneaked the lower rates in on its coattails, was very underhanded. Anyone who is shocked, has good reason to be.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:58 AM

They had Arvind post it. No specifics mentioned - just a blurb about sustainability and coming in line with what other sites pay.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:00 AM

Nope, no rate was announced. Just that they need to be sustainable. But it seems they've slashed the pay rate severely. Just guessing, but it seems to be a third of a cent. With them hiding page views, it's tough to gauge, though.

bestwriter wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:09 AM

When I did not get my July 11 redemption I went slow there as I knew their modus operandi. Do not pay but do not delete accounts so that they can earn without sharing the revenue.
I hope more will join here but not those who are responsible for pulling down that site. If Bubblews had foresight this would not have happened.

bestwriter wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:27 AM

With the gaming system members have earned in hundreds of dollars. It was the site that should have checked these members and deleted them or changed their policy then. Earning 50 dollars in 3 days and that too for hogwash who would give up that opportunity. But sincere members were axed. When I saw a member with thousands of views in a matter of seconds I brought that to their notice but they did nothing.

Feisty56 wrote on October 15, 2014, 7:06 AM

I went to the Learning Center, just to see what/if changes had been made there. At the top of the page is a notice that as of 10/28/2014, the payment wait time for redemptions (now monthly) will increase from 30 to 60 days.

alexdg1 wrote on October 15, 2014, 8:39 AM

I don't think Arvind and Jason know how to properly run a business, especially when it comes to dealing with members and facing hard realities,

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 12:46 PM

I'm hoping the same thing, Grace. With the rate of pay having fallen on Bubblews and the rate set to increase here at Persona Paper, I think we have a real chance to gain membership from people who hadn't joined before.

vserrao1 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:25 PM

I will stay with Bubblews. In the long run, it will give me good exposure with other writers and bloggers. Everytime there is a change with Bubblews, earnings go down temporarily, but they go back up in after two weeks. I think that with the changes, there will be less manipulators and more consistent redemptions.

Linda-From-US wrote on October 15, 2014, 5:30 PM

Right now, I am not really seeing much difference in my rates. But I am still worried about the site.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 8:29 PM

I agree that we always have to stay on our toes and be ready to move should there be a need. So far, my Bubblews experience has been very good. Things seem better today, so I'm going to keep going. But as you are, I'm keeping an ear to the ground :)

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 8:30 PM

I don't think either of them understands writing or content promotion, either.

Kwriter-25 wrote on October 15, 2014, 9:07 PM

What are the new Bubblews rates and I considering not writing for the anymore as well.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 9:39 PM

I agree with the fact that they were losing money while they were paying the hundreds of cheats. Now they are stuck.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 9:40 PM

Really? So now we ALL have to wait 60 days for money we earned well over a month ago?

BarbRad wrote on October 15, 2014, 10:14 PM

You've got that right.

BarbRad wrote on October 15, 2014, 10:16 PM

I wonder if it will do any good to report one I redeemed over a year ago I never got.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 12:07 AM

Did you see the latest, Victor? I was lucky that Feisty56 pointed it out to me: they redemptions are all going to take 60 days, starting the end of the month. They put a notice up in the Learning Center.

I think I'll still be writing there, but with a 60-day wait for pay, I need to develop some other sources of revenue that might pay out more regularly.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 12:14 AM

Apparently they're calculating according to where the view/like/comment comes from, depending on what the ad pays them. Yesterday I saw what should have been at least $2.50 in likes, comments & views (estimated from the likes) on just three posts come in, and my bank didn't even go up by $0.75 in that time. So I can see the rates have changed.

Today was better, but I'm not counting on every day being that good. I'm worried, as you say...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 12:20 AM

They aren't posting the rates. Arvind says the amount we'll earn depends on where in the world the interaction takes place. I assume that means if the reader is in India, we get paid according to what they get paid for ads displaying in India. If the person is in France or Iceland, or the US, there could be totally different rates there too.

Looking at my earnings from last night, it seems like I'm averaging about 1/3 of a penny per view/like/comment - assuming the exact same number of views as likes (so I'm being generous at 1/3 of a cent.)

carolscash wrote on October 16, 2014, 8:21 AM

I will continue to write there but I won't be spending as much time there. I was really enjoying my site there, but I have to move on due to I only made 20 cents in about 24 hours after the revenue change.

vserrao1 wrote on October 16, 2014, 10:37 AM

I saw that the redemptions will take 60 days, but that is for people outside of the US, Canada, and England. However, with the new set up, things will be more stable at Bubblews.

You are right that we have to have other sources of writing income. Even 30 days waiting is still too long.

I hope that Bubblews and the Bubblers will benefit in the long run.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 12:21 PM

I'm sorry to hear your revenues are so low there! Mine seem to have adjusted themselves after the first night. I'm hoping I do as well today as I did yesterday!

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 16, 2014, 1:14 PM

I've run across several comments buried on other people's posts that the new rates depend on the amount of ad revenue brought in, and that it could vary depending on what country the views came from. Don't know if that is accurate.

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 16, 2014, 1:21 PM

I'm not sure what I'll do yet. I voted with reservation that I will continue. I do know that I will be there for at least another $2.12, which may take awhile now. They did hand me my exit strategy, though, with the freedom to delete without financial penalty. It's nice having a backup plan ... at least until they drop another "Surprise!" moment on us. (I have developed a serious phobia of bubble surprise parties recently, for some reason).

momathome wrote on October 16, 2014, 3:11 PM

I plan to hang around because I have a lot of friends on there, but honestly it will be like a facebook type thing for me now. I will not be posting regularly, but I will still go on and visit as often as possible. As to the earnings there has been a major drop off. With a new post written on the day the changes took effect, I have only earned about 50 cents in 3 days which is a major drop for me. I don't know what the current earnings rate is, since they haven't been upfront about it, but it definitely means that I will no longer be writing the tutorials, lengthy informational posts, etc. that I used to. It just won't be worth it at the current rates.

However, I have never liked facebook so I will use it like most people do facebook -- for posting updates and visiting.

Ldyjarhead wrote on October 16, 2014, 3:24 PM

Potato posts? Would that be like the junk that I write that isn't much good for anything, and not worth posting elsewhere?

AliCanary wrote on October 16, 2014, 4:26 PM

They have already instituted the change--they couldn't even stick to THAT plan. **sigh**

AliCanary wrote on October 16, 2014, 4:29 PM

I would say not, unless it was made after the cashout minimum was raised. I have a missing one from August 2013 for $29 and it would not accept a claim for that amount, saying it was below the minimum. Barf.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 5:23 PM

I've started removing some of my older content, now that there's no penalty for doing it. That gives me additional content to post elsewhere, and as I can't see the page views anymore it makes more sense to move that content to a site that will allow me to see my stats, edit as needed to freshen it up, etc.

I just redeemed earlier this week - plus they owe me a good $250. So I figure I'm there for the foreseeable future. We'll see what happens with the requested payments. But I do know exactly what you mean about a phobia and surprises!

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 5:41 PM

I think you'll probably be in good company! A lot of folks were already saying Bubblews wasn't worthy of their better content, and with the new rates I bet a lot of people will treat the site like Facebook. Maybe that's what the admin there are after...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 5:44 PM

For me, the personal stuff and the little ramblings about odd topics belong with the meat on a site like Bubblews - as long as it's we;ll written as your posts always are. The potato posts are all starch and no substance. They tend to be mostly rambling without a focus or a point. And frequently they've been padded with a bit of a weather report, or a very flowery wish for fellow Bubblers to have a beautiful day.

Ldyjarhead wrote on October 16, 2014, 8:32 PM

Ah, substance vs starch ... gotcha. I can ramble about nothing, but I try to at least at a little wit if I can, if not something informative.

JanetJenson wrote on October 16, 2014, 8:40 PM

I am in the US and not seeing much of a difference in earnings, although I do think all of the negative things some people are posting over there are bound to be cutting into earnings because why would an advertiser want to buy space filled with whining? I don't know how the US $ compared with the currency of most other nations, but I know that for some what Bubblews pays is more significant to them than it is to us. I am not there solely for the money, although if they stopped anything at all I probably wouldn't spend much time there. I like the novelty of earning something.

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 17, 2014, 12:49 AM

I'm wondering now if the abysmal earnings the last couple of days is partially because of earnings from deleted accounts being deducted from our banks. I'm at $48 right now, and the idea has me scared of redeeming at around $51 like I usually do. Of course, between not having time (or much enthusiasm to post, and the rate of earning, that three dollars could take awhile and things might settle some by then.

You can verify by experience that nothing happens to your bank after deleting? That makes me feel better. Once I get time to go through my index, I plan to start removing some things, too. What, how many, and how fast depend on what goes on over the next week or month.

WordChazer wrote on October 18, 2014, 8:07 AM

Can't say I'm surprised, but I use it mainly for my reviews anyway, which can come here, go on RebelMouse or even G+ as needed. They owe me one payment due this week and half of another which is creeping up slowly. I'm wondering if the site was negatively impacted by migration of low quality work from Teckler when that shut?

chatombreux wrote on October 18, 2014, 7:36 PM

My bank is going up about the same as it always did before. So, I'd have to say yes, for now.

k_mccormick2 wrote on October 19, 2014, 2:56 PM

I think that I will remain at Bubblews as every little bit helps this household. I am going to start more and more diversifying though as there is so many sites out there and I am thinking that it is time to try other sites.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 19, 2014, 3:33 PM

I suspect it was more that word got round in certain developing countries that Bubblews was an easy target for plagiarism, spam bots, etc. That will be changing, if they remain consistent now that staff are actually addressing the problem.

As for migration of poor quality content from Teckler, I'm sure it's been done. But there's probably also been migration of some higher quality YCN content too...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 19, 2014, 3:40 PM

I'd say do it regardless of any expectations. Especially if you've got specifics (screenshots are best!)

My feeling is that if we at least get all the missing redemptions into the bank history and then screenshot THAT, it might put a few staffers to shame...

WordChazer wrote on October 20, 2014, 2:45 PM

Would have been far easier if they had implemented a new member moderation idea with the July rollout. That could have been semi-automated to weed out instances of obvious spinning, dim comments and spammers with the borderline cases being kept an eye on by the team. And FFS, an IP block or something similar, already? I know that a blanket block of certain countries would be seen as racist but then again PayPal refused to operate in some locations until they were happy with the security. How do you deal with the fact that native English speakers want to live wherever they fancy though? The targeting of the obvious dross has to be specific so that people with quality posts don't get hammered. It smacks of taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut otherwise.

WordChazer wrote on October 20, 2014, 2:52 PM

Elance pays out weekly. Fiverr pays out in something like 21 days and you have a date when each redemption will hit. They're both freelance sites where you are paid to write what the client asks you to.

The nearest thing to Bubblews that I've heard of other than here is dailytwocents and its sister site write-edge.

WordChazer wrote on October 20, 2014, 2:55 PM

I think you're right. Do you remember when FB banned Bubblews? I wondered then how long it would take Zuckerberg and co to buy out Arvind and implement the payment model on FB, which is about the only thing that HAVEN'T tried yet over there.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:11 PM

I definitely find even your ramblings to have some kind of meat to them, Marie Anne :)

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:15 PM

Barb, did you catch the recent remarks about Bubblews hiding the page views, because they kind of implied it was a writing site? When they are calling it a "social blogging" site and their about page says it's a "content creation and discovery platform," just what else is it supposed to be? I get that we're not freelancing there (as in, we're paid for ad impressions on content of any kind, rather than being paid for writing assigned content.)

But I honestly don't know how they can say with a straight face that Bubblews is "just" about social networking...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:16 PM

Unfortunately, mine is going a lot slower despite a good number of new posts and lots of traffic :(

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:24 PM

I don't know what they're up to! I got an e-cheque for one redemption on day 35 exactly, but an earlier redemption that has now been twice reported (because of the switch on the bank page) is at over 40 days now, and still just shows they're "investigating....."

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:25 PM

And when I was re-reading a post from January, Arvind was going on at length about how they weren't going to reduce the pay - in fact they were planning things that would result in it going up! He's a big talker.....

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:26 PM

Everybody will be waiting 60 days, as of October 28th. And I suspect that's the minimum, despite their promises.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:28 PM

A couple of other sites have gotten mentioned in the press, but nothing that seemed all that similar. I think you're right about WritEdge and Daily2Cents

Ruby3881 wrote on October 20, 2014, 3:35 PM

My bank tallies are checked frequently, and they don't go down despite massive removals of plagiarists. They are also not going down when I remove posts from the site, whereas not so long ago the total earnings for that post would be deducted from the bank immediately.

vserrao1 wrote on October 20, 2014, 8:06 PM

I am going to see how things work out. If things don't as I hope, I will still stick around. But I will work on other sites as well. I think that Bubblews has good intentions but they were taken advantage of. Hopefully, things do work out because I do love the site and the Bubblews community.

chatombreux wrote on October 20, 2014, 11:48 PM

I've never been a prolific poster, so maybe that is why I don't see any change.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 21, 2014, 4:10 PM

I am in Canada, and I've noticed a drop in earnings. If I understand correctly, the pay is determined by where your content is viewed. That's something that is rather difficult to control. Most of my content (other than my mechanics of English posts) is written with a Western audience in mind, but I do get a lot of views from Asia. That's driving down my revenue.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 21, 2014, 4:11 PM

Last week I accomplished my goal of getting more active on Persona Paper again. This week, I need to write for one of my other sites at least once, and start branching out. I agree with you about keeping the Bubblews earnings as long as they're still helping. But I think I will be changing my approach there.

AndyLeeParker wrote on October 26, 2014, 9:22 PM

Someone in a country that the Bubblews platform no longer supports just told me about this site, and I'm glad to see so many Bubblers here, but sad for the reason. It looks like a lot of people found this site quite a while back.

AndyLeeParker wrote on October 26, 2014, 9:23 PM

Someone from a country that the Bubblews platform no longer supports told me about this site. I'm happy to see so many Bubblers here, but sad for the reason. It looks like many of you have known about this site for quite a while. Has anyone been here long enough to be paid?

AndyLeeParker wrote on October 27, 2014, 9:42 PM

Someone in a country that the Bubblews platform no longer supports just told me about this site, and I'm glad to see so many Bubblers here, but sad for the reason. It looks like a lot of people found this site quite a while back. Has anyone been paid yet, in actual dollars from the coins?

Verbalarchitect wrote on October 28, 2014, 8:08 AM

I have been with Bubblews for 6 months now, I am receiving my regular rewards in the past 5 months up until the new rules came in. I have 2 redemptions for September, I am waiting if I will still receive those in 60 days.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 29, 2014, 2:18 AM

I've heard several people say they are earning about the same, but most are saying it's half or less :(

Ruby3881 wrote on November 1, 2014, 12:40 PM

It may be a sad reason - in that Bubblews is failing certain users - but Persona Paper is a great site! Whether people write exclusively here or continue to have ties on other writing sites, this is a good community with a dedicated admin. It is a slow growing garden, but one day it will be a veritable Eden :)

Ruby3881 wrote on November 1, 2014, 12:41 PM

I'm hoping that once Bubblews gets things under better control, they will cut back on the wait times. Until then, I guess the best we can do is be patient - and work on other sites where the chances of getting paid sooner are better!

Ruby3881 wrote on November 1, 2014, 12:44 PM

I've been wavering a lot this week. I was really angered by the changes, and more specifically with the underhanded way they were announced and the staff's rude language when people expressed concerns.

Seeing a lot of folks getting paid for multiple claims that had been seriously overdue is heartening, but it feels a little like the abusive boyfriend bringing home a bouquet and a box of chocolates the day after he beats on his partner. I keep wondering, when is the next problem going to crop up? What will they do next?