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Response to "We're making changes"

I was in the middle of writing my response tho a post that was written by admin. But for some reason my computer had a problem and stopped my post. So I will continue my post here instead. That way I can save it as a draft if need be and come back to it.

Anyway it all falls back to the site trying to find ways to save money. I know that is important for both admin and the writers. But by making all these future changes it comes down to less payouts for the writers.

It also will just hurt the site in the long run. Less views from people liking other posts just cuts back on page views for the site. If that happens there will be less advertising to pay the writers.

Other sites are falling apart and can't afford to keep going. Mainly because less advertisers are out there. To get advertisers a site has to show they are worthy of there ads. Otherwise a site will never be able to sustain itself let alone pay it's writers.

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bestwriter wrote on July 3, 2014, 11:11 PM

If they stop paying for likes and concentrate on views that will be a disaster. Also they expect us to expose our posts to social networking sites. I do not do that. I have tried that and I see no one clicks on my posts.

MaeLou wrote on July 4, 2014, 3:18 PM

Could you explain why you believe that making changes will cause less payout to members?

We're not trying to save money, we're trying to earn it.

I think you are misunderstanding our changes, we have no desire or interest to prevent anyone from liking anything.

lrdl3535 wrote on July 4, 2014, 8:11 PM

According to your post you are wanting to eliminate the liking system to stop reciprocating likes. I don't personally just go back and like a post just to do so. But I would like to be able to see who actually views my posts so I can go see theirs. I like to be able to also like posts if I read them and find them interesting to me.When you remove the liking system you are removing my ability to see who liked my post or even viewed it. That is important to me to see who has liked or viewed what I have written.

By removing the liking you stop people from actually communicating. Most people will not look at other posts unless they know someone has looked at theirs. It's like emailing each other that you have seen what they have written. It is another form of communication by writing posts to each other instead of emails.

By taking away the liking system it will also take away views. Taking away views will not just stop communication but lost views means less money. Since we currently get paid for all the likes that we get on our posts.

If you are removing the like system then we still need some way to know who visited our post. That just allows us to see what they have written as well. I don't write a lot of comments and liking is a way that others no I have seen their work and appreciate it.

MaeLou wrote on July 4, 2014, 10:36 PM

I said it was a suggestion and that I was asking for members input. It was posted awhile back and the consensus was that people didn't want to remove the like system - however, we're not going for a Bubblews copycat, and we want people to communicate because they want to communicate, not because they feel they are obligated to because someone "liked" their post. If people want this to be like Bubblews and only like or comment when a particular person does the same to them, then this probably isn't the place for them.

lrdl3535 wrote on July 4, 2014, 11:28 PM

It is a way of starting a friendship between writers. It doesn't mean that I view every post or like. It simply allows me to see who my Internet writing friends are. This site no matter how you change it,it is still a site for people to write. It will always be linked to and looked at just as the other writing sites like Helium,Teckler, Bubblews or Hubpages and all the others before them.

AliCanary wrote on July 5, 2014, 7:23 AM

MaeLou , I know you want this site to be awesome, but I get the sense that you are worrying about Bubblews way too much. Please let the Like system stand, and let your writers do with it what they will. Regulating our content is totally cool, but trying to regulate our behavior is not. If we don't get paid for Likes, that will reduce our revenue even more than it has been, and it will increase the dropout rate of members considerably. Paying us less just so we don't feel "obligated" to respond with Likes in kind is a very bad way to go about it, in my opinion.

MaeLou wrote on July 5, 2014, 10:25 AM

I never said you wouldn't get paid for the likes.

elitecodex wrote on July 5, 2014, 11:45 AM

Don't worry, we do not expect you to share your posts anywhere to be honest... you are free to do with them as you wish. Sharing them on social media can help get you views and such at times but we don't expect it.

The like system is just something that is ripe for abuse and we want to see if there is a better method going forward so we started the conversation... the real value in content is the conversation surrounding it. So we just want to have a conversation about it to see how people view our setup.

elitecodex wrote on July 5, 2014, 12:04 PM

Don't worry, if we do end up changing the like system we won't modify the number of coins you are getting. Even removing it completely will not reduce the amount you are paid. What if you are paid two coins for every view? No different than everyone that views your post liking it. What if we kept the like system, just removed the coin and double the amount for the views? Same effect. You won't be losing anything in regards to the number of coins you are getting.

We are not trying to regular behavior, we are questioning the effectiveness of the like system because it is ripe for abuse. Currently we have a good set of members that I do not feel are abusing the like system so far. We just want to put it out there so we can see how others feel. We also want to clear the air with assumptions that people would have when we bring something like this up.

Just starting the conversation, nothing is set in stone just yet.

AliCanary wrote on July 6, 2014, 1:28 AM

Most of the policies you have on place are spot-on already (I think what you did with limiting coins for repeat comments was very smart, for example, because that will eliminate people who thank each and every commenter individually just to get more money), but your receptivity to feedback, which is great, is leading you to try to fix what ain't broken, maybe? Paying two coins per view would certainly compensate for Likes not being paid, but people who feel "obligated" to return like for like are choosing to feel that way; they are imposing the obligation upon themselves.

I prefer knowing who Liked my post, because it either reminds me to go check my friends' posts, or it allows me to meet new people. I go to the Home page, read random articles and leave Likes so that those people will know who I am and come make friends with me, and I can see people doing that with me, as well. It's the way we grow our circles, especially in the beginning.

And of course, I also want to make money by increasing my connections! If we have to pretend we are just here for friendship and not pay, we might as well go back to Facebook. You saw what happened when the pay rate went down; a ton of people jumped ship, so it's pretty clear that people need an earning opportunity rather than just a place to chat. If you want to make money for the site, it would be best to let us make revenue as we can, and giving Likes, views and comments is the way we help each other, socially *and* financially. When I read a post from someone who is struggling financially, it's nice to know that I can help them a little bit more by giving them a Like. I know it's not the pure intention of liking something just because it's likable, but for me it feels good to help that extra bit. I'm always happy that someone gave me the extra gift, as well, because not everyone does.

Discussion is always good, and I do really appreciate the way you guys care about our input. The best I can do is let you know how I feel and why, and I hope that I make my point well enough that you will understand and consider it.

AliCanary wrote on July 6, 2014, 1:30 AM

Sorry, elitecodex and MaeLou - forgot to tag you in the above comment

MaeLou wrote on July 6, 2014, 12:02 PM

We actually do not pay anyone to comment on their own posts, so even if the author of the post thanked everyone for commenting individually, they wouldn't be getting paid for it anyway emoticon :winking:

AliCanary wrote on July 6, 2014, 10:38 PM

Oh, I thought there was a two-comment limit, but I guess that's for the other commenters. It's a smart rule!

madhavan_as wrote on August 25, 2014, 10:13 AM

If it is for the improved site management means I go with the admin.