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A Few Concerns I Have

I am sure by now all of you have read the updates about what will be happening with the site as far as members go, and some of the ideas are good ones. One being delete accounts that are not active for a certain period of time which is a good idea as the people who left the site obviously left for a reason. I just read an article by &Ruby3883 and she has some valid points in there.

However there are two issues that are bothering me about the new updates.

One being the English factor, I am afraid that people who want to join the site and do not pass the test see it as being discriminated against because English is their second or third language. It is human nature to look at how one person writes and see how you can better yourself. Another thing yes here are a lot of people who have English as a first language but have you ever noticed that UK English has a certain way of writing things, U.S English has a certain way of writing things, and so does South Africa, which is where I am from. There are a lot of different styles of English out there. So which would indeed be the correct way to write an article?

The other thing I have a worry about is that elitecodex mentioned and I quote “We just want to ensure that people who join can post the types of content the ad networks are looking for”

I am just wondering what the networks are looking for, are they looking for reviews on products or long debates about certain subjects, are they looking for long articles that drag on, or short and sweet article that people will take the time to read, and that they can possibly relate to? If so does this mean that personal posts will not be allowed?

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momathome wrote on June 20, 2014, 11:22 AM

I agree and this is something that concerns me as well. If they are wanting "professional writing articles" then I'm afraid this site would no longer be a good fit for me as those are something I not only am not interested in reading much, but they are also something I have no interest in writing. Once in awhile I might choose to read one but that is the exception that proves the rule, so to speak.

MaeLou wrote on June 20, 2014, 11:33 AM

The ad networks are not looking for a particular topic, and yes, they want English written articles. They are not severely picky about it but when you have something that reads "Me mom ate potatoes night last before" or something along those lines that don't make sense is where we run into problems. We are trying to come up with a way to allow cultural diversities to still post - but somehow make it so that they get the help they want and need. How we plan on doing this is not yet decided, but we don't plan on blocking out other cultures complete or those that use English as a 2nd language - or not at all. I think our biggest problem is going to be those that use auto-translaters and the writing is so far off that you can't make out what it's supposed to be.

We are not talking about "professional" articles, and we have a plan where "professional" type of articles and "blogger" style can coincide.

First and foremost, we still do not want to lose that social interaction type of network. In fact, I want to BETTER how the social aspect is and make it less "article" like. I want people to converse - have conversations and discuss topics, etc.

I really believe that if you guys stick around, you may be very happy with the end result. We'll take the changes slowly. It will not all be thrown at to you guys all at once, you'll have time to start adjusting to what will be our "end product."

MaeLou wrote on June 20, 2014, 11:36 AM

See, I have spelling errors right there! LOL - When we mean "English" we mean something that is easily understandable. They aren't going to not pay just because there is a spelling error or it doesn't look like something a professor would be grading on proper grammar, spelling, etc. It DOES need to be legible.

Chantiele wrote on June 20, 2014, 11:36 AM

Maelou Thank you for taking the time to address the concerns I have. I cannot wait to see what you have in store.

LadyDuck wrote on June 20, 2014, 12:11 PM

I do not think that "professional" articles are required. I see that only asks for "coherent " English. If the articles must be in English I think that they should be easily readable by anyone clicking on the link and opening the page.

elitecodex wrote on June 20, 2014, 12:36 PM

And that is perfectly understandable - rest assured we are not turning into any kind of exclusive professional writing site. We are still going to have a platform for people who want to just casually write about whatever is currently in their head.

We just want to embrace those that have the desire to write informative content, that we can aggregate into a collections where people can find value in that content. Obviously, these articles will pay more, but they will have more requirements and need to be edited. More details on that later, but there will be no requirement for anyone to write like that if they do not wish to.

If you have any concerns and want to ask them directly to me, please feel free to send send us an email or something and we can talk about it. Don't worry, this is still a good fit for you :)

elitecodex wrote on June 20, 2014, 12:39 PM

That's the idea... anyone who can understand English should be able to understand the post without too much difficulty.

CloudExplorer wrote on June 20, 2014, 1:11 PM

These are all valid points to be stressed I do hope the aren't going to remove my account for being absent a day or two that would be slavery in my honest opinion. There must be like a 30 days grace period or 2 months or so. I would like to know also before hand so I can move all my content out of here before hand if such a thing is to occur, because I do take many mini vacations from writing as I once done for 6 months on Bubblews. Maybe they can freeze accounts that are inactive and give the owner a chance to redeem themselves then it wouldn't be perceived as digital slavery to me or anyone else.

momathome wrote on June 20, 2014, 1:23 PM

Thank you elitecodex for your response. That was my concern. You've read my writing in the past, both here and on Bubblews so I know you are familiar with what and how I write, so when you tell me that the site will still be a good fit for me and my writing, it makes me confident that it will be.

As I had responded to someone else on one of my posts this morning, due to the disparaging remarks that myself and other "personal post" writers have received in the past on Bubblews (and a few on here too), we get nervous when the word "content" starts getting used. It's not that I have anything against writers who choose that but it's just not something that has every held any interest for me personally which is why I've never signed up for content driven sites.

momathome wrote on June 20, 2014, 1:27 PM

CloudExplorer I would suggest reading elitecodex 's post regarding Login Issues as he did address this in that post. Right now they have settled on 14 days since last login but you might contact him directly if you have any concerns. I think the main thing is that they are trying to get more active memberships right now and there are many accounts that have been opened but the party hasn't written anything at all since joining.

I think if you've been an active member and you wanted to take a hiatus, you could probably contact them and let them know that you were going on vacation or whatever and they would probably work with you.

Anja wrote on June 20, 2014, 2:00 PM

My husband, who is English but grew up in South Africa and then lived in England and now lives in the US has a way of dealing with the differences (which are mainly spelling differences and a few words that may not be used exactly the same way). If he writes on a site that is primarily US English, he uses US spellings, and does the same for UK sites. I don't think there is enough difference to cause a real problem for anyone reading the posts. But there are people who simply don't speak English at all, or use a translator - which results in mangled nonsense. Their presence would affect the credibility of the site. Lots of sites make you submit a first post for review, and I don't think it's discrimination. It just makes sense to ascertain that an applicant can perform the job before he is hired, so to speak.

melody23 wrote on June 20, 2014, 2:46 PM

I wrote for years on an American site and used UK English, however I now write on another site which specifies if it wants US or UK English so I use what they ask for, Its not that hard once you get used to it really 's' becomes 'z' (i.e specialise becomes specialize) and lots of words with 'u' in them don't have it anymore (i.e colour becomes color). most sites will accept both though and it is certainly not a problem for google if people use UK English, I have been for years and so have many more people.

BrianaDragon wrote on June 20, 2014, 4:21 PM

"Obviously, these articles will pay more" does this mean that different people will get paid different rates based on what they post, or are you going to average it out across the board? I'm also curious for a definition of "valuable" and "informative". Great value can be found in writing that's more personal in nature, and it can also be educational. It depends of the topic and how it's written. I, like many I'm sure, worry that "informative" will translate into "SEO laden, dry, and trendy". In other words, content farm fare that many of us are trying to get away from, because while those are great for search engines, not many human beings really want to read them.

Polishaddict wrote on June 20, 2014, 10:06 PM

May I suggest maybe with members that may need the help, or where english is not their first language, have an option to ask someone to proof read for them? Or you know, offer it to ALL members as I'm sure we all have our moments when we're not sure of something completely. I'm not sure how it could be worked into the site, but it could be an option that could possibly help out all members better their posts in a way.

MaeLou wrote on June 20, 2014, 10:59 PM

I definitely think the majority of our active members are safe where the writing is concerned, so I don't think all members will need that help. Don't worry about a few spelling errors here and there. We're not looking for PERFECTLY written content. We're just striving for every day English speakers to understand what is being said without having to read in between the lines.

MaeLou wrote on June 20, 2014, 11:01 PM

The spelling differences should not be an issue at all. Chitika has not once specified that it needs "US English." I've seen words spelled differently and consider each to be correct (ie: grey and gray)

Chito13 wrote on June 21, 2014, 5:22 AM

English is my second language too. And my english grammar is very limited.. I want to write and earn from it. I still believe that my writings are understandable

Ruby3881 wrote on June 21, 2014, 4:55 PM

One of the things that turns me off is writing for the trend (or about an SEO-friendly topic) just for the sake of catching the wave and getting the big page views. A lot of the people I decided not to connect with on the other site had nothing to offer but dozens of rehashed "5 best ways to...." and "health benefits of eating....." posts that they were clearly unqualified to write.

I agree that this content farm fare is something I'd rather not be reading or writing, but I don't believe a post has to go that way in order to be seen as informational. It's just that a "diary" style post isn't going to appeal to the advertisers because we have to know the writer to really be interested in their news. Your "no poo" posts, on the other hand, are a great example of writing that is informational without being dry, SEO-laden, or otherwise unappealing.

MaeLou wrote on June 21, 2014, 8:40 PM

Exactly! You so get it Ruby3881 You can write something that could appeal to others - such as my Disney Must Do's or in your case "No Poo" and still be "informational." We aren't looking for "more valuable content" being those that are what a lot would consider "dry" and "boring." However, posts that are personal such as what you did through out the day, etc is NOT what we would deem as "valuable content." People aren't searching for these particular topics. Topics that one would likely search for in a google post would be consider "valuable" and will likely earn us more over time and not just in the "here and now." Even momathome 's articles specifying certain how to earn on Swagbucks COULD be put in the informational category, however, stating that she did well on a certain day on such and such a site isn't necessarily something we would call "informative."

I hope I'm starting to make some sort of sense here. We're not looking for "professional content" just something that you could see one doing a Google search on.

MaeLou wrote on June 21, 2014, 9:04 PM

From what I have read from you, your posts would be just fine.

elitecodex wrote on June 21, 2014, 9:07 PM

No, we are not looking to become a content farm... I didn't mean the pay rate will change, just in that we will link to these informational articles from another section (or portal if you will) to bring them altogether. So if you have a number of articles about "Health and Beauty" we can link to those specifically from this curated portal and it will get more exposure (ie: more traffic, more coins). Sorry, that does sound bad but not what I meant.

When we are talking about "valuable" and "informative" we just mean a short article that provides "valuable information". What somebody had for breakfast is not valuable information, but some tips on the multitude of different ways to cook bacon can definitely be "valuable information".

Clearly I need to write an article about this as people are thinking this is going in a completely different direction than we anticipated. Although that is to be expected when we hint at what is to come without providing those details... rest assured no one needs to worry.

momathome wrote on June 22, 2014, 2:47 AM

MaeLou And I think in several of the comments I've read from you tonight that you have definitely cleared up any misconceptions that we had. It was just the way the original sentence was constructed that had us concerned, as "selective content" (paraphrased of course) can mean different things to different people. Considering many (if not all) of us who write personal posts have taken a lot of gruff in the past about how they didn't belong, it was something that of course concerned us. I know that you have put my mind at rest, and I'm sure you have put Chantiele 's at rest as well.

MaeLou wrote on June 22, 2014, 11:09 PM

I certainly hope so momathome I looked back at all the posts and they all seem to mention that nothing will change with the type of content you are writing, that it's just grammar and coherent English is what we are looking it. But can definitely see how some members could read one thing and then their mind goes into a frenzy wondering if you are doing something wrong.