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What is Wrong with Hungary?

If you have been following the news for the past week or more you'd know what I'm talking about. The story in a nutshell is that trends of thousands of refugees escaping the war in Syria began streaming into Europe after neighboring countries became completely filled up. Those refugees thought they were moving to a better and a safer place. To a place where police doesn't treat people as animals. But they were wrong. Not only that the road to Europe is full of risks (if they don't die in the ocean they are very likely to die from other journey risks). After they reach the borders of Europe they find police brutality, starvation...etc. Out of all the countries Hungary seems to be the least open to help those people or at least not harm them. For the past week the refugees have been beaten, imprisoned and put in inhumane concentration camps. Football hooligans and many people on social media were calling for killing refugees. Even a camerawoman who is supposed to be filming the story for a local channel started attacking refugees yesterday. Some European countries like Austria and Germany welcomed refugees and provided then with all they need. Many people in those countries opened their houses for them. But what on earth is the matter with Hungary?

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wolfgirl569 wrote on September 9, 2015, 9:49 AM

I seen on our local news last night where one place the patrol boats are going out and dumping the people rafts and boats over. They think it was a coast guard boat for that area even that did it.

LoudMan wrote on September 9, 2015, 11:50 AM

Why are none of these folks willing to stay in their own country and defend it against the daesh? I mean, there are grown males ( won't call 'em men) leaving wives and children alone in a war torn area. Dammit, fight!

There's nothing wrong with Hungary. There's something wrong with these refugees for their cowardice.

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Shadi wrote on September 9, 2015, 12:11 PM

Funny you didn't say defend it against Alassad as if ISIS is the only problem. All of the sudden we forgot about Assad's atrocities and just started to focus on wherever the media turns its spotlight. But are you saying that if a war broke in the US no one would flee? And if someone does flee he would be wrong and host countries would be justified if they treated him as lesser human? All of the sudden escaping barrel bombs is cowardice? You wouldn't try to save your family too? I am sorry that you see nothing wrong in denying people in need basic human rights. I have been reading this type of comments on Hungarian pages all day. Thought it's only them. Kind of make one lose hope in humanity

Shadi wrote on September 9, 2015, 12:18 PM

I haven't seen that. It is a real tragedy

LoudMan wrote on September 9, 2015, 1:05 PM

Whomever the enemy is, I'm reasonably sure, if you ever saw news clips of we stubborn Americans fleeing our home, the first waves would be the women and children. All I've seen of refugees are grown males. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that news photographers are only finding groups of males to photograph but, I don't know.

Are these guys just unwilling to defend their own country?

Of course, a lot of our women might even stay by their man and fire a few shots off, themselves.

Haven't you heard? We're the country everyone wants to disarm because we're a bunch of aggressive, violent gun owners.

Some of us would rather right than eat and look forward to the day the daesh try invading

As for their "basic human rights," it's a long-held principle that "any right not vigorously defended, does not exist."

But, all that aside, ever notice the daesh never attack israel? Isn't that odd?

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WordChazer wrote on September 9, 2015, 2:43 PM

I think it's because:

a) Hungary has only just become free from other countries occupying it, in historic terms.
b) The country isn't that well off so probably can't afford the extra expense of all these new arrivals.
c) Maybe they have problems with their own minorities already?

Shadi wrote on September 10, 2015, 4:40 AM

Letting women and children alone to be an easy target to human traffickers, not to mention other journey risks, is not what I would do. Nor would any other husband or farther, no matter how patriotic he is. But I think you are having a wrong image of the war in Syria. People are not fleeing ISIS but they are fleeing barrel bombs. Entire neighborhoods in Damascus district have been flattened to the ground. The only option for those people is to move to safe areas in Syria or outside Syria. Staying means dying. I don't think any nation on earth would act differently. In every nation there would be those who fight and those who flee (for various reasons). But none of that is a reason to treat them as animals if they seek help in foreign countries.

Shadi wrote on September 10, 2015, 4:46 AM

I still can't see any of that being a valid reason to treat people bad. By the way most of the camp expenses are covered by the UN and refugees expressed their desire not to stay in Hungary but pass to other countries. If poor countries like Jordan can absorb one million refuge why couldn't Hungary allow tens of thousands to pass by safely in humane conditions?

WordChazer wrote on September 10, 2015, 4:40 PM

Of course, they could just be the horrible 'r' word...not that I would enjoy thinking so. However, I know the Russians are very xenophobic and Hungary could be the same after years of occupation. My husband reckons that it's more likely to be the fact that they don't have the resources to cope with that number of arrivals, however, as the country is still relatively poor by European standards.

AliCanary wrote on September 12, 2015, 3:14 AM

The weirdest part is that the refugees want to go to Germany, not stay in Hungary! And the Hungarians don't want them, but they won't let them leave and just go to Germany! They even bought railway tickets, but when they got on a train, they were sent to a detention facility instead of going on to Germany. It's crazy :(

AliCanary wrote on September 12, 2015, 3:21 AM

They have their wives and children, as well--they are NOT leaving them. Sometimes you don't see the women and kids because they are staying off camera, and like Shadi said, these people are not fleeing ISIS but the actual Syrian GOVERNMENT, which is bombing the hell out of its own people and levelling cities. Our media is not reporting that because they don't give a crap--Assad isn't a threat to us, only his own people. How are those folks supposed to fight anybody? Throw rocks at the bombers flying overhead? I don't blame them for running. These people are not armed, and their idea of protecting their families is to GET THEM TO SAFETY.

LoudMan wrote on September 12, 2015, 6:03 AM

AliCanary , many people believe these folks are the daesh. This little tidbit came up.

Also, why aren't their Gulf neighbors helping? Y'know, those most familiar with these folks fleeing the most secular gov't in the region?

LoudMan wrote on September 12, 2015, 6:09 AM

Why won'Qatar? The UAE? Others? Hmm?

LoudMan wrote on September 12, 2015, 9:08 PM

Hey, AliCanary , Shadi , others. Check out what I found.

It seems, females of all ages are being thrown overboard. At least, that's the allegation.

Shadi wrote on September 13, 2015, 4:12 AM

I wouldn't take that from such website. Doesn't sound legit by the way. However I still believe in the likelihood that a lot of bad things have been committed by some refugees or by some immigrants who pretend to be refugees on the way to Europe. It is also possible and plausible (I still haven't seen the official UN figures) that most arrivals are males. That make sense because immigrants for work from Asia and Middle East are mostly men. However in case of refugees they are, for the most part, families. I reject all those ridiculous Islamophobic theories that this is some kind of a secret plan to invade and take down Europe. Obviously someone is trying to demonize refugees by using lies (such as in the video which you posted as response to AliCanary where the intercepted ship in Greece was heading to Libya- it was not an aid to the refugees as the video title suggested).

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Shadi wrote on September 13, 2015, 4:18 AM

Yes they should too. But right now refugees are in Hungary and the treatment which they received there is awful and humiliating. Check this out:
Could you think of anything that could justify this? Even if we assume that all those people are criminals, not refugees. The Hungarian authorities should be ashamed of themselves.

LoudMan wrote on September 13, 2015, 4:37 AM

What does the website"sounding legit" have to do with what they discuss? That strategy is what those of us familiar with these sorts of discussions call "ad hominem and, is a cheating strategy. Since you cannot debunk the argument, you attack the source.

And, " islaophobia" is a bullshit term.

Shadi wrote on September 13, 2015, 5:03 AM

So you post a non-legit site and then ask us to take what they "discuss" for granted? There is nothing for me to debunk there since they did not provide any facts. The burden of proof lies on them and you in this case, not me. However, I still did not dismiss the possibility that something like that did happen in one or even few boats. I believe me debunking the video which you posted shows that that there is propaganda targeting refugees. I wouldn't be proud being part of it if I were you.

If you have a better term to describe the irrational fear of Muslim refugees - that they are trying to take down Europe rather than find a safe place where they will be treated as human beings - then I'd be more than happy to stop using the term Islamophobia.

Last Edited: September 13, 2015, 5:05 AM