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Is Bubblews Erasing Discussion of Bubblews?

I just came across someone's comment about Bubblews possibly withholding redemptions again, so I decided to go and see what I could find on the site. I did find a couple of Bubblews writers who said they, or others they knew, had not been paid even after 90 days. But I didn't see enough confirmation of that to state it as fact.

But I did notice something that really raises my suspicions about why I didn't see more complaints. A couple of the Bubblews posts I read listed the "#Bubblews" hashtag which, when clicked, ought to take you to other articles with that same hashtag. But it doesn't. Instead you see a notice that says, "Sorry, there aren't any posts to show."

That's quite odd! Especially since not even the posts I read that do have that hashtag came up. Other hashtags work as expected.

So what I suspect is that there has been a lot of complaining by Bubblews writers and they've used the hashtag in their posts. Is Bubblews deliberately suppressing searches for that hashtag because so many of those posts are negative about the site?

I don't know this for sure, but as one who has had a Bubblews account for more than two years, and who has experienced first hand the issues concerning trustworthiness and integrity that have roiled the site, I'm definitely suspicious. Unfortunately, to find that Bubblews management is suppressing dissent instead of dealing with the issues that cause it is behavior that, based on past experience, I would not find at all surprising.

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andriaperry wrote on August 23, 2015, 6:07 PM

I have been waiting 40 days for my LAST payout and usually it would have been 32 max . I have heard that they were deleting posts and accounts if people complained . It took 6 months to make $24 so I am waiting and NOT writing there for money .

CoralLevang wrote on August 23, 2015, 6:15 PM

The only two posts I have over on that site are both about Bubblews.

I just read an article from a month ago from Arvind or Tyler....cannot remember at this moment, about them celebrating the 10 millionth post or something like that on Bubblews. It was all I could do not to post as a comment this question: Was that before or after those of us with 1000 or so removed our articles? emoticon :winking:

inertia4 wrote on August 23, 2015, 6:21 PM

I haven't been on there all weekend. I had my kids with me. I also haven't heard anything prior to this weekend about payouts there. I will get on some time tonight and check for myself.

LoudMan wrote on August 23, 2015, 8:33 PM

I wonder why Arvind Dixitallup hasn't removed my latest post critical of the ooze? I actually HATE the man! 😀 I knew it was just a matter of time before that moron started messing his own people up again.

morilla wrote on August 23, 2015, 8:57 PM

The counters no longer subtract, just add. I had well over 500; but, just before the change, I deleted a number. So, I now have 435... according to the counters. But, I've deleted even more since the change. However, the counter has not gone down. Remember, "delete" does not remove your post from the system. It simply "hides" it from view. As a result, they could have 10 million posts. It's just that only a percentage of those are visible at this point. A bit of parsimony, perhaps; but, only if you discount that the Terms of Service gives them the perpetual right to display the material as they see fit.

morilla wrote on August 23, 2015, 9:18 PM

This actually started about the time of the change. Posts critical of the site began disappearing. There was a post I can't find now (probably taken down) which created the impression that it would no longer be tolerated. While it's something that goes back to before I joined, they seem to be actively enforcing it now.

They were briefly sending out e-mails with "Top Post" lists. I haven't gotten one of those in awhile. Only a select few seem to be able to achieve more than 0 - 3 Likes anymore. (Some pretty familiar and 'big' names have an increasing number of 0,0,0 or 1, 0, 0 Likes/Comments/Shares.) There has been some oblique talk from a few in a very small number of posts about being 'active elsewhere.' (I assume MyLot is the site.) I don't recognize many of the names now popping up on the Latest Just In page. Posts are looking more and more like Facebook entries which have been 'stretched' to meet the minimum count. Many, including myself at the moment, are putting an increasing amount of time between posts. Some of the functionality now appears to be limited to specific browsers...

They did seem to be 'saving' them to pay all at once; i.e., build up a sufficient fund to cover "X" number of redeems. But, they may not even be capable of that at this point. I know that the site ranking has been dropping on Alexa since last October and appears to be continuing the decline. (Though Alexa has become noticeably less informative without joining/paying.) In short, I wouldn't be all that surprised to find they weren't generating enough revenue to pay redemptions again.

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cheri wrote on August 23, 2015, 10:36 PM

I am still there but not that active anymore. I have not visited the site for days now. I will check it later

Paulie wrote on August 23, 2015, 11:22 PM

I have not been paid by Bubblews for almost a year. It still owes me almost $300 for past redemptions.

bestwriter wrote on August 23, 2015, 11:24 PM

You can do a test. Search for your deleted post in Google and if you do not find that means it is not there any more.

morilla wrote on August 24, 2015, 12:19 AM

Been there, done that, got the deleted posts to prove it. Right now, however, I can delete in one browser, but it doesn't work in another; no matter how many different ways you test it. Let's hope that it's yet another glitch and not indicative of them slowly removing the ability to delete our content given the continuing drop. Insofar as being 'removed' from the system, that was something we learned on another site.

Remember, once you post something on the Internet, it's always 'out there.' Simply deleting does NOT remove it from their servers. It simply makes it 'invisible' or flags it so it doesn't show. Thus, they could have reached 10 million posts ; but, clearly, not all those posts are visible anymore.

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morilla wrote on August 24, 2015, 12:23 AM

How many of those redemptions were made AFTER November 2014? Prior to that, all redemptions were nullified. None of us liked the decision; but, to continue complaining that they 'owe' you money from prior to that is... Well, they would owe A LOT of people money on that basis.

Last Edited: August 24, 2015, 12:24 AM

Paulie wrote on August 24, 2015, 12:30 AM

It just doesn't seem right that Bubblews can renig on their promises. Are you aware of any people like me who have taken legal action against Bubblews? Considering Bubblews past track record, it amazes me that a lot of people are still putting their trust with them.

morilla wrote on August 24, 2015, 1:23 AM

There were quite a few who turned them into the BBB. If posts are to be believed, while it took awhile, some evidently got their money. Just be aware that there was a 'process' to doing so that not everyone seemed to be able to complete in terms of 'proof' and Bubblews does have the right to respond. So, unless you have your ducks in a row, documented proof, et al., it's an "iffy" proposition.

Insofar as other types of legal action, consult the Terms of Service and you will find that, theoretically, your options are very limited. What they are counting on is that you won't throw a lawyer at them for $300 in that the lawyer would cost more simply to have them write a letter. That's why the ToS now attempts to preclude a lawsuit with a bunch of members rolled into a single suit and that's without discussing the practical realities of trying to put that together based on how dispersed and diverse the membership is.

I don't know if people are " still putting their trust with them. " I think most see it as another, potential, option and hope that, at some point, they will see something from it. I've been paid all my redemptions; though there were moments when I was concerned I might not be on a couple. That doesn't mean I'd be paid any future ones, if I were to ever reach that level again. Right now, with participation where it is and the earnings what they are, my participation has dropped to almost nothing.

It's not about 'trust.' It's about little or no Views and Earnings. I've been trying to help three or four people I've known for over a decade via another website get to their redemptions. However, I'm realizing that not only is the reciprocation drying up, but my efforts aren't helping all that much given the algorithms now being used. While I'm sure there are some who see it as a viable alternative to Facebook/Twitter and could care less about overall Views/Earnings, I don't do Facebook/Twitter and I'm not going to do Bubblews on that basis either.

Last Edited: August 24, 2015, 1:25 AM

Paulie wrote on August 24, 2015, 1:46 AM

Thank you very much for detailed insights into this matter. Perhaps the problem is that I am writing while being based in Thailand, and Bubblews views all writers from Thailand as cheats similar to all of the cheaters who came aboard from Vietnam about a year ago. As far as you know, have all of the writers from the U.S. been regularly able to redeem?

morilla wrote on August 24, 2015, 2:06 AM

I have no way of knowing. I do know that there are several members, some U.S. residents, who claim they are/were owed considerably more than $300. As has been stated many times, this isn't necessarily about a prejudice or discrimination against a given country. Bubblews is not the only site which has had problems with countries like Thailand and Vietnam; not just in terms of 'scamming,' but simply in generating any ad revenue to be able to pay members.

Thus, the direct, but overly simplistic, answer is that "No," not all of the U.S. content providers have been paid or paid regularly. Has there been a small, select 'group' which has seen all or most of its payments, whether in the U.S. or not? I know there have been accusations of it, even before I joined. I think proving it would be exceptionally difficult given the information a member has access to. Proving that a group of 'true believers' exists could be demonstrated circumstantially; but, even that 'group' (for lack of a better term since 'group' potentially alludes to a certain level of 'organization') appears to have been shrinking.

Last Edited: August 24, 2015, 2:07 AM

Paulie wrote on August 24, 2015, 2:11 AM

Thank you again very much for your comments. I really appreciate them.

bestwriter wrote on August 24, 2015, 2:21 AM

If you search and you do not find it there then it has been deleted. I have tested that. Also there is the possibility of someone copying your article before you have deleted it and therefore available while searching. One needs to be careful on that score as well before posting it on other sites without going through the search engine. .

Dawnwriter wrote on August 24, 2015, 4:02 AM

morilla I have also deleted quite a few but the counter has not budged. I still have over 400 very well written posts there and I am going to remove every one of them. I just wish they learn to speak the truth. Truth I can handle, prevarications I hate.

morilla wrote on August 24, 2015, 4:45 AM

I don't know any other way to say it... You have flagged it so that it does not show on the site and the site says it cannot be found. That's different than deleting it from their servers. Simply because you can't bring it up in a Google search doesn't mean it has been removed from their servers. Now, Bubblews may clean up the servers at some point; bearing in mind that they, in theory, can utilize the material in perpetuity. (Such appears to have happened when they moved to the database with the change a couple/three months ago.) In a sense, we're talking past each other. In another sense, you're making an invalid assumption; i.e., that deleting it sends it into oblivion as opposed to simply 'hiding' it on their server. They could not restore incorrectly deleted accounts/posts if that was the case.

morilla wrote on August 24, 2015, 4:51 AM

I doubt the counter will change. It hasn't in my case. As I've said above, the posts are flagged and made invisible, with the site stating it cannot be found. However, that does not mean it has been wiped from their servers. In theory, you gave them a "license" to use the material in perpetuity when you posted it. A website I previously wrote for, which discontinued the community over a year ago, is still using posts members provided and portions of those posts have been 'sold' to partners to utilize; all without continued remuneration. Whether Bubblews will repurpose our material in a similar fashion is something we probably won't know. I'm not sure they are that 'sophisticated.' I am sure they would have no qualms about doing so, however.

The one positive is that you retain the rights to the material. That means you can use it and/or derivatives of it as you see fit; so long as you stay within the rules of any site you choose to post it on.

BarbRad wrote on August 24, 2015, 5:26 AM

I have never found the Bubblews search to work very well for any search term, but I confess I haven't searched for anything lately. I'm still deleting over there.

LeaPea2417 wrote on August 24, 2015, 12:08 PM

Bubblews is a dead site and it surprises me that anybody still writes articles there!

RonElFran wrote on August 25, 2015, 2:37 PM

Bubblews may well be a dying site, but so far it's not dead yet. There are quite a few who have stuck with it, remembering the good old days when they actually made money. But, yes, there's a continuing outflux of writers from the site. Will it survive? We'll see.

RonElFran wrote on August 25, 2015, 2:40 PM

Dawnwriter, the lack of transparency and truth is my biggest issue with Bubblews. I can understand they needed to make changes to survive, but the dishonesty they practiced with writers was (is?) reprehensible.

RonElFran wrote on August 25, 2015, 2:45 PM

Paulie, many of those who say they have not received the payments they earned at Bubblews are based in the USA. International users may have been hit harder, but as far as I can see Bubblews has been an equal opportunity withholder of monies owed to writers.

Paulie wrote on August 26, 2015, 12:30 AM

RonElFran Thank you very much for your explanation.