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A Possible Explanation For Those Who Have Written at Bubblews and Are Losing Partial Payments

I know that there are many people migrating from Bubblews, here to Persona Paper and to other sites. I read that some are concerned about deleting their content there for fear of not getting paid their final payment.

In a reply to another writer's comment on "How I Was Able to Retrieve All My Articles from the B-Site, Even When Not Visible in an Archived List" , I started to wonder about my own fears of the same thing, and (as I always do) I started analyzing the situation and my fear.

A Surprise Announcement

As many already know, Bubblews' CEO and Founder, Arvind Dixit, made a decision that all payments that had been submitted prior to November 11th, 2014 would not be paid. This is true whether or not they were in the queue or were missing payments that they last track of and could not manage any more.

It was also announced that the payment rate was also changed, so that the calculations from any future payments would reflect this new payment structure, retroactive to the arbitrary November 11th date.

With these new policies, it wiped out a lot of "debt" owed to many, even some from more than a year ago. For those who have submitted redemption requests pending since November 11th, it drastically reduced amounts owed, and for some it has nearly zeroed out their payments. I have read claim of one writer having a pending payment from over $400 to $4.31. For others, it was not as drastic a cut.

So, why the differences for some people? Is it discriminatory? Are they picking on one person, one country, or one group of people? Some might say so. We are all trying to find answers to all of our "whys," when it comes to a site that loved and supported by so many.

My Experience with My 4th Quarter Redemptions

Even though I am angry and think that the company owners have made decisions that will hurt the company in the long run, I completely understand that business owners have a right to change direction and respond accordingly. As with any decision we make, personally or professionally, we must live with the results of those choices.

I am one person who has deleted much of my content from the site. I had nearly 900 articles, and now have about a tenth of them remaining. All of them were submitted since my October 3rd redemption of $52.82, which was paid in the amount of $51.83. PayPal adjusted the amount by charging $1.80 for their fees, so my final payment was $10.03.

I submitted my current redemption request on December 30th my time (December 31st on their time stamp) for $68.18, before any announcements were made to us. It will be interesting to see how much they delete the account.

What They Will Do to All Payments Submitted Before the End-of Year

We know that any payment pending that was submitted prior to November 11th is gone. But that still does not account for how they treated the payments that were submitted after that date. We have not received the explanation as to how they determined it, only the comments that it was the spammers and plagiarizers doing that caused the decisions to be made.

So, what happened to the totals for submissions placed after November 11th? I believe that the way they figured out how and what to cut from these monies owed was also measured up to the same date, which is why the drastic differences from one writer to another.

I highly suspect that, just as all payments submitted prior to the November date were deleted, so has any money due from views, likes and comments received prior to that day on any existing pending payment. So, anything that was written and viewed before that date will receive nothing for those views, etc., even though it was "in the bank."

Everything earned after that date will be assessed at the reduced rate (from November 11 and beyond), retroactive for the existing pending payments, as well for those still currently writing.

My Final Thoughts

When I came back to Bubblews from more than two weeks without a computer, I saw that I had $68.18 in my bank and that I was not going to make my goal of $100 for the month, even had I written more. So, I decided to redeem on December 30th Pacific Time, prior to any announcements being made. I had earned the monies in my bank from my previous October 3rd redemption date.

I highly anticipate that all views, comments and likes that I received on my articles from October 3rd to November 11th will be zeroed out. Using that logic, then all views, comments and likes received after that date will be recalculated at the lower, existing rate, which will drastically reduce the remaining monies from my bank totals.

Because we have no data available to us to show when they were received, no one cannot anticipate how our specific banks will be altered for any of our payments. We cannot see how many views we have had, nor from where. If we could access the history of our comments and likes, rather than simply what the notification table will allow us, we could account for those, however, we have only what the system shows for a temporary amount of time.

I anticipate that my $68 will be valued from $20-30, when they get around to crunching the numbers and applying the new system to my current redemption.

Arvind has recently made his pleas that we all must think about "perseverance, future, and (others') emotions." He has talked of "be(ing) better and learning curves." Many of these sound quite apologetic and heartfelt, inspiring and forward-thinking, and positive. He even speaks good advice about being kinder toward others, with which I agree.

However, perception is reality. Equally as many people are seeing his current 2015 writings as "cultish," "disingenuous," and "manipulative." Though I understand their emotions, as well, there comes a time when you just have to make a decision and move beyond where you were/are. Even if one trusts that the Bubblews team is treating all of its members equally, there is always room for manipulation of the figures, should someone decide to do it. One will never know, as many do not trust the team leaders or the team to make sound decisions.

What I am trying to do from here on out is to see the situation strictly from a factual perspective, so that I can figure out what I want to do. Because I am human, I will attach whatever emotions to the situation based solely on my experiences and how I frame the world, and I will make my decisions accordingly.

Whether or not deleting articles will be additional cause for reduction in payment, I do not believe that leaving articles up will prevent it from happening. Again, I believe that any activity on those articles will be zeroed out before the new calculations are made, as the Bubblews team tries to clean up the garbage and start with a cleaner slate in 2015.

However, I must choose to do what I think is best as I continue to take ownership of my own behavior and run my life, as I see fit. Is that not what we all do? Arvind is certainly doing so.

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j2401 wrote on January 10, 2015, 3:47 PM

I dont think Bubblews will be around much longer

Kasman wrote on January 10, 2015, 3:50 PM

I no longer trust Bubble Ooze. When (if) my next payment comes through I'm outta there. emoticon :sad:

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 3:54 PM

I do not trust Arvind and his team to make sound decisions, nor do I trust Arvind to tell me the truth. The latter is because of my own personal email exchanges with him.
Even yet, I do not wish them harm, but the chips will fall where they may.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 3:58 PM

I feel that they may, indeed, be in trouble. However, I have seen businesses some back after some heavy losses, so I can't predict. I've been wrong before. I find this kind of thing fascinating from an analytical perspective.

Louemham wrote on January 10, 2015, 4:18 PM

I do not write on Bubblews anymore. Arvind has crossed the line and been extremely dishonest with the entire community. I much prefer PP

Oceanblue wrote on January 10, 2015, 4:19 PM

HI, I also am a bubbler and it was so much fun and it is sad to see what has happened to a wonderful site.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 4:23 PM

Because I am curious (nosy?), I want to remain there enough to see how things evolve, though I have all but given up on them. I cannot give up on the people that I grew to know and love there, however.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 4:27 PM

I agree that it was fun, and there are many people who made Bubblews a wonderful site. It is the people that made it a "community." It is true that Arvind and Jason were the innovators, the ideas men. But they did not "make it" what it is today, it was the people that believed in them and the concept that made it so. It will be A & J and their unwillingness to listen to others' advice, the poor decision-making, and their egos that have destroyed the confidence many have in them and where they now want to go.

maramadalina wrote on January 10, 2015, 4:57 PM

I don't use to give a second chance to people who lie. Bubblews team lied many users several times. No, thanks. I don't trust Bubblews once again.

FreyaYuki wrote on January 10, 2015, 5:02 PM

Also slowly removing posts from that site. Still there since currently have about 44 but earnings there are really low right now. Seems like it's going to be impossible to reach the payment threshold. Wish they'd just lower it.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 5:47 PM

One of the things that I did not do was take screen shots, so I might have screwed myself some time in the future, but slowly getting past even worrying about any part of the $68. The think I worry about the most are the people who are still there and buying into Arvind's pity posts. I wish I could just get in contact with my favorites, without the fear of posting publicly and running the risk of Bubblews making the decision to delete me before I have deleted all my content.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 5:49 PM

I do not disagree with you. I wish there were more people who had their eyes opened, and hope that, should they choose to stay, realize that they are making a choice to do so and not be surprised.

Feisty56 wrote on January 10, 2015, 7:26 PM

I agree with your assessment that each of us needs to make decisions based on whatever frame of reference we wish. I chose to stop posting there some months back, although I've never tried to persuade anyone else to follow suit. We're all adults, after all.

inertia4 wrote on January 10, 2015, 7:43 PM

CoralLevang I am still there. I know, I know. But I can't help it. I have a curious nature I guess. I need to see what happens next. I do plan on writing here more, but right now I am going through all my content on my computer and putting in a special order for me to handle it better. So that is taking lots of my time. As for Bubblews, I agree they did not handle themselves very well. I don't actually believed they lied on purpose. I think it was done out of fear of what the members would say and or do. But, looking at it now they should have been up front and honest with the members. They could have cut the rates a long time ago so that the site could grow better. But they didn't. I have said there many times that they need to show us the rates and be totally open and honest with us. Otherwise the site may nit be around too long.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 7:47 PM

Exactly. I do not need to bring others along with me. There is only room for one Pied Piper and he seems to have enough "followers" at the other site to keep him happy.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 7:56 PM

inertia4 I would not scold you for staying. I am still there for the time being, too. I won't write much there. What the situation has done has helped me to see the importance of being more organized, should I ever need to remove it and move again. That is the lesson i learned in all of this.
As far as Arvind and lies: I think the intention was good, but when things were not as he had hoped, he did not know how to handle it. There were many of us "older folks" who gave him some ideas (on the sidelines) that he chose to disregard. Some were told that he was going to run his business his way. He was unwilling to think that he might be wrong or making decisions that could bite him in the behind. And as far as him intentionally telling untruths: He and I had some on-going email correspondence that he stated with me and one of my colleagues that he "would take care of/look into (situation) himself" and get back to us on a specific date. From that moment on, he never responded to either of us. Did he intend on lying to us? I doubt it. But his word was taken at face value, because that's all we had. He did not follow through with what he told us, nor did he reply and let us know anything to the contrary. Where I come from, that is not showing integrity, and some would say it was intentional because he did not follow through with any explanation. Non-action IS an action.

AsADrivenLeaf wrote on January 10, 2015, 11:24 PM

Our contents apparently did not generate ad revenues. It's pretty much a matter-of factly discrepancies: that advertisers did not meet payments. Therefore, no ad revenues, no money.

CoralLevang wrote on January 10, 2015, 11:37 PM

I think that consumers do not see advertising the same way as in years gone by. It is interesting to see how the Internet has changed over the last couple of decades. I'm not sure that advertising, as we have known it, will have the place it ever did before.

AliCanary wrote on January 11, 2015, 3:46 AM

My only thought on it is unprintable. I picked off dozens of spammers, spinners and plagiarizers for them.

CoralLevang wrote on January 11, 2015, 4:59 AM

Yes, so many feel used and abused. It's a shame it has all come down to this.

I found myself writing a long post again today, addressing some of the things that are of key importance to me. Of course, it will fall on deaf ears.

CoralLevang wrote on January 11, 2015, 10:42 AM

I think that they will have to certainly have to do some serious damage control, if they want their new changes to work. I also think that they are going to have to get one of their several marketing types (Jason or Bear?) to work on branding, because there is serious egg on the corporate face. Social media has made it easy for people to put out opinions and there is a lot of searchable information that can be of harm to them. Will it be possible to recover from that with the current name? I'm not sure. I would like to see it turn around for all concerned but, like you, I won't believe it now until I see it.

CoralLevang wrote on January 11, 2015, 10:42 AM

That was meant for you, &TheresaWiza

inertia4 wrote on January 11, 2015, 10:53 AM

CoralLevang I understand that and I do agree. But their MO was always to never get back to peoples emails. I have sent emails and never gotten responses for him or the team. I know that is not good practice. I call that plain ignorance. Anyway, I will stick with it for now and see what happens. It has gotten slow there, it is like a ghost town. I feel at this point, anything can happen there. But I do plan on being here more. As I said I have lots of organizing offline on my computer to do and thats what I have been doing. Once thats all done I will be here posting again.

Hollyhocks100 wrote on January 11, 2015, 10:58 AM

After reading on here just today that more cuts have been made to our pending redeems I checked it out and it´s true. My pending was slashed from $65 to $12 and is now down to $8. Apparently it´s reported to be a glitch, but I doubt that very much. As it appears not to be right across the board.

CoralLevang wrote on January 11, 2015, 11:24 AM

No one will be privy to what decisions are made and how they were derived except for the powers-that-be. I need to stop trying to figure it out. LOL

CoralLevang wrote on January 11, 2015, 11:26 AM

inertia4 How about when you are done organizing yours, you take mine over? ;)

seren3 wrote on January 11, 2015, 12:45 PM

Since we don't know what figures they work with we can never know if they are being manipulated. Since Arvind's first "excuse" post stating that it was "counter-intuitive" for us to know our view count, I have been quite disgusted with the attitude.

Ruby3881 wrote on January 11, 2015, 1:05 PM

I think you are very right on one important point: not taking a given course of action on Bubblews is no guarantee that all will be well. I prefer to migrate the majority of my content to a site that I am confident will not make me wait 30-60 days for payment once requested, and that will never artificially inflate my earnings for its own purposes.

FreyaYuki wrote on January 11, 2015, 2:32 PM

Also don't want to get deleted there. Still have some posts there. So I don't even comment on the posts by by the staff. And, yeah, from reading some of the comments there, seems like there are still a lot of supporters for that site. Maybe 'cause they didn't lose money?

celticeagle wrote on January 11, 2015, 6:28 PM

Yes, Arvind must do what he feels he must do. And we, as members of Bubblews, must do the same. I have begun deleting my first articles from there and will continue to until I have just a few hundred left on the site. I just feel better doing so. I cannot predict what will happen to Bubblews in the future but with this in their past I wonder how many will trust them and stick with them? I stay on out of curiosity and because I still have afew friends left on there of whom I want to continue to follow. And, I still have money and time there. I will stick around and see what happens but I am not as enthusiastic or loyal as I once was. And I have learned that businesses must do these things whether they seem right to members or not.

CoralLevang wrote on January 12, 2015, 12:05 PM

I think I missed that statement. Probably a good thing that I did. I shan't worry my pretty little head over anything now that I have become aware, seren3 . ;)

CoralLevang wrote on January 12, 2015, 12:12 PM

Ruby3881 I certainly understand that people want to forgive, hope, and sometimes give another chance. But, if and when they do, it is all choice. That means that one needs to take some responsibility for what they accepted, if it goes south. Not easy decisions for any of us, no matter what the choice might be. As I mentioned before, it has given me the kick in the arse I needed to take some actions I should have taken years ago to maintain a folder of my material. It will be months before I get what I grabbed cleaned up. LOL And, re: confidence...EXACTLY. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

CoralLevang wrote on January 12, 2015, 12:17 PM

celticeagle We are on the same page. I expect nothing from them. I will, however, continue to speak my mind, until such time I am done. Business is business, no matter what side of the fence one is on. My business (there) is to figure out the value I place on my being there, and what it is worth to me to doing so. It certainly is not about the money. I only have 66 articles left in place. Removed another 24 yesterday.

celticeagle wrote on January 12, 2015, 6:49 PM

I started moving mine too. Yes, business is business. I am a member of several sites that pay. I have always gravitates towards those type of sites. And I govern my time on these sites by how quickly get paid. I would spend more time on those that pay quicker. So if there is a change or brake down on one of these sites I am not as loyal as I would be other wise. If they don't continue to give me what I signed up for then I back away. I do have friends on there and I do go back occasionally to check in with them and do some likes and responses on their blogs. But I am not a full time member anymore.

Squidwhisperer wrote on January 14, 2015, 12:47 AM

Why not delete your content then/ Say what you wish? The saddest thing to me about the site was the prevailing climate of fear, coupled with the the many many many apologists. And that doesn't even begin to address the narcissism and megalomania, the petty vengeance and disrespect, evident in the CEO and his underlings.

Ruby3881 wrote on January 14, 2015, 11:01 PM

I still feel I haven't stepped up nearly as much as I should have with regard to organizing my writing. But then I vacillate, and I tell myself that I've got a lot going on and I need to give it time. I'm just trying to take everything one day at a time.

But yeah, it's all about confidence in a site's admin. I have my top two, and the rest is all just my emergency baskets...

CoralLevang wrote on January 19, 2015, 4:29 AM

Ruby3881 That's all we can do with anything in life--one day at a time. It is a lesson that I wish that I had learned much earlier in life.

As far as confidence in site admin, may I just give a hearty, "Amen!" to that one? I was just sharing that sentiment with valmnz , who joined us here a day or so ago.

CoralLevang wrote on January 19, 2015, 4:32 AM

celticeagle I am trying to be supportive of those who continue there, but it's rare that I am on there, any longer. I am continuing to watch my current redemption (December 31st) to see what they do with the $68.18. I am guessing that it will be cut to about $20 before (IF) they pay it within the 60 days they indicated it would take. I redeemed several hours before they made the big announcement. (Forgive me if I am repeating myself here. I cannot remember what I say when and where anymore. LOL)

Coffee wrote on February 24, 2015, 6:47 AM

I used to write over there. Before all the changes. Not anymore though.

CoralLevang wrote on February 24, 2015, 9:11 AM

There are a few of us who are still there, but only out of curiosity.. I have about a dozen things left on that site and go in to read from time-to-time.