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When Bubblews gives you a lemon

Had Bubblews made their controversial announcement a few days earlier, I'd probably have taken it really badly. However, by the time I saw it on New Year's morning, I'd already made the resolution to be more positive in 2015. So I was determined that I wasn't going to allow Arvind & co to ruin my day.

I confess that I've dedicated a lot of my year so far to Bubblews, but I'm trying to turn that lemon into lemonade.

I had a busy day yesterday. I'd been contemplating updating the two (very positive) articles about Bubblews that I published at HubPages long before my problems at Bubblews first started. Instead I decided to add a note telling readers to treat them as historical documents. I then proceeded to write a brand new Hub telling the truth as I see it. I've been tempted to post a link to that Hub at Bubblews, but it's not in my nature to break the rules, even if they've done so.

I also answered several questions about Bubblews at WebAnswers, as well as at an online forum which I use through Postloop. Nothing I write will earn enough to make up for the money they stole from me, but I'm trying to make up as much as I can.

I want the truth out there and find it frustrating that some members are still leaving positive comments on Arvind's latest post, wishing the site success in 2015. I've said what I have to say there too. If they delete my account now, so be it. I've nothing left to lose.


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scheng1 wrote on January 3, 2015, 3:58 AM

You have to see it from our standpoints. I have been paid several thousand dollars, so I still hope that Bubblews can revive.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 4:20 AM

I've been paid a few hundred too, and a part of me would like to go on earning there. But it's difficult to wish Bubblews well when their staff are earning money at the expense of thousands of users whom they have cheated. Some of them are really desperate for the money too. If they want to keep the site alive, they need to find a way to pay people what they owe them.

I accepted what Bubblews was doing for far too long, but I realise now that it's not okay to earn money at other people's expense.

scheng1 wrote on January 3, 2015, 4:21 AM

I still will be active there, but not so active. I just treat it as a form of repaying for the outsize earnings received so far. There is nowhere that will pay me about $2000 a year for online writing. Hopefully Bubblews can use the income generated from my posts to pay the deserving writers who are making much lesser.

LadyDuck wrote on January 3, 2015, 5:15 AM

I was paid many times, but even in the past I have lost some payments and they never explained the reason. This last move is "stealing". They knew they had no money but they did not inform people hoping to see everybody posting plenty of articles to cash in money. This is something I did not appreciate.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 5:23 AM

Sadly it's not likely that they'll do that.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 5:25 AM

I hate to say it, but I agree with you. The Bubblews admin didn't suddenly wake up one morning and discover that all the money had vanished from their bank account overnight. Somebody must have known what was happening but they said nothing until it was too late.

I also had several missing payments in 2013 and only returned in 2014 because they paid me part of what they owed me. I won't be so stupid again.

ison1 wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:46 AM

Hey Gina! :) I am joining you in a positive outlook for 2015. I am trying to reach $50 there again (I am at $40) but the rate they are paying it might be 2016 before I get there!

arthurchappell wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:12 AM

I will stay on Bubblews but I'm steadily going to delete my older articles there and watch how things go - income has slowed to a trickle there with so many leaving now

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:36 AM

Hi John. I'm at $40 too, but I know that I'll never get to $50. I'm not lucky enough to live in the UK, so my posts there are worth nothing.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:40 AM

I'm planning to delete most of my articles, but I'll leave a few Bubblews-related ones there as they're useless to me now. My income is so slow that it would take an immense amount of work for me to earn the $9.30 I need to be able to redeem again. And then my redemption would probably be reduced by a huge percentage. It's just not worth the effort.

LadyDuck wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:42 AM

I also had missing payments in 2013, then I received something and in 2014 I had three payments thanks to Briggs. I had to imagine there was something wrong.

nbaquero wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:52 AM

Gina145 I have taken the same approach. I am mad at what they did, but I need to move forward. I will visit there but will not post more comments and will be removing my posts soon. They either have not acted in good faith or have no idea on how to run a succesful business. In any case, those are pretty loud warnings for those who want to stay there. It does not take a rocket scientist to know that if they continue down that path they will dissapear.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:55 AM

After a lot of editing old posts and deleting some I received $50 of my missing money from 2013, so I started writing again last January after months of inactivity. After that I never missed another payment until August but I've now got to write off two and there's no real hope of my redeeming again.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:58 AM

I've still been writing comments on some of the posts I've been reading, mainly comments expressing my disgust at the current situation there. But I really should be spending my time there deleting posts instead.

peachpurple wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:33 AM

I had been paid several hundreds byt they also owe me several hundred too, that means going back to square one

ison1 wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:40 AM

We are all the same now, my last post has 19 likes and 7 comments..all for 8 cents

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:45 AM

My last one has 20 likes and 19 comments and all I've made is one cent, so we're not the same. I don't think I'd stick around for what you're earning either, but at least you have a slim chance of cashing out again. I have none.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:51 AM

Nothing takes away what we were actually paid, we just worked a lot harder for it. Maybe if they'd been honest sooner and reduced the rates to something reasonable, less people would have given up on them. I'm not sure what rate you're getting now, but you can see from my latest reply to ison1 just how impossible they've made it for me to earn anything there.

ison1 wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:57 AM

oh wow Gina, that is ridiculous. No way you can work to that rate!

wolfgirl569 wrote on January 3, 2015, 10:03 AM

I had been paid until my November one, but I understand your feelings. I am waiting to see if I get what remains of my December one

Louemham wrote on January 3, 2015, 10:03 AM

Bubblews have annoyed a lot of members, including myself. They only took $60 from me, but that's not the point, if they took that from every member, they must have an obscene amount. Shocking behaviour

nbaquero wrote on January 3, 2015, 10:35 AM

Exactly, I need to start deleting, but I am first listing all my posts, so I can take an organized approach.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 10:42 AM

I get the impression that your December one will be fine. With me it's not just a case of the missing payments. As I mentioned in another comment, the rate I'm receiving is beyond ridiculous - 20 likes + 19 comments = one cent. Clearly South Africans aren't wanted there any more.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 10:45 AM

I hate to think what it all comes to. I'm worse off than you are. I've lost over $116 unpaid in 2014 and have $40 in my bank that I'll never be able to redeem. In addition to that there's still about $150 from 2013 that I gave up on a long time ago.

imphavok wrote on January 3, 2015, 11:35 AM

I deleted my account on Bubblews yesterday. I feel they are not a trustworthy site and I will not support any site that rips their good honest members off. I understand some members were cheating, but they were still very few.

wolfgirl569 wrote on January 3, 2015, 12:02 PM

I am earning a little better but it has dropped again also. Just not worth it to me. And it wont surprise me if they change things again

Kat- wrote on January 3, 2015, 2:00 PM

I was paid once $25, very first payment at that, then I admit I was slow in writing and then they changed things a little bit, but redeemed in Oct. 2013 for $25 and then again in Feb 2014 for $50. I wrote to them numerous times and kept getting the scripted email that they are checking into it and not to email. Then they implemented that new redeem thing and you could submit a query for missing redemptions, which I did. Strange thing is according to their 'History" they had listed, I had never redeemed at all. I kept checking the status of the redemptions and it always said investigating. I admit during all this time I wasn't doing much, I mean they weren't paying me so why should I help them make money off of my stuff if they won't pay me what they owe me. I had reported different cheaters time and time again for nothing, they didn't seem to even check as I never got any replies or anything. Then my husband informed me of the latest post and I decided I had had it. I know it may not be much to some, but they erased $75 they owed me because of cheaters that they knew about but did nothing to stop. I deleted all my content there, they can do whatever they want with the $26 in my bank, I'll never get near redemption level again and there's no guarantee I will get paid.

maramadalina wrote on January 3, 2015, 2:01 PM

After Bubblews gave me a lemon, I made my own lemonade and I removed my account. Ican not accept to be lied by people like Arvind . I also made a complaint against Bubblews and I signed a petition where Bubblews is accused to became scam.

k2705 wrote on January 3, 2015, 3:59 PM

There seems to be a lot of us over here in the same position I lost s lot of money through them I can't see them lasting much longer.

GayleStorm wrote on January 3, 2015, 4:38 PM

I never had a missing payment but that doesn't mean that other members aren't getting stepped on left and right. I'm planning on moving my more evergreen content over here after deleting it. No one wants to be left on a sinking ship.

VinceSummers wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:40 PM

I didn't burn my bridge to Bubblews, but they do deserve all the flack they've brought upon themselves. It didn't have to happen. They were so happy at making money from clicks by spammers they allowed them to remain for quite some time. When they finally did something about it, it was undoubtedly at the demand of advertisers. Then when they needed to keep our money, they told us it was because the writers had made money from the spammers and needed to give it back. Pretty gutsy and pretty dishonest.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:43 PM

I don't think they were very few. I was constantly reporting spammers and plagiarisers, and some of them were allowed to stay. So we're being penalized for Bubblews inefficiency in dealing with the cheats - even when they knew they were there!

I haven't deleted my account but plan to delete all posts that don't refer to Bubblews in some way. Now if I could just find the time and energy to do it.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:52 PM

Many of us tried to help by reporting the cheats, and I often got standard emails thanking me for being a good Bubbler after I reported yet another plagiarised post, but some of those posts have never been deleted even though I supplied links to the originals.

Their history only started from a certain date so the redemptions you refer to were never intended to appear there. I had one redemption from October listed as pending until December 31. I also had one from August that they were investigating. Now neither appear on the history page any more despite the fact that one redemption was requested three days after October 10, and according to their notice on the history page, should appear there.

I haven't deleted my content yet, but I know that I have to give up the $40 in my bank because I'll never reach redemption level again either.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:54 PM

I'm reluctant to sign that petition because I'd have to use my real name. I won't delete my account because I want to leave up my posts that show how much cheating was taking place there.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:56 PM

I can't see them lasting much longer either and don't feel they deserve to, but some people still want them to succeed so that they can go on earning there. I wouldn't want to earn money from them at other people's expense.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:58 PM

You were really lucky. I'm not sure how much evergreen content I've got, but I'll have to check all my old posts to see what I can recycle.

Gina145 wrote on January 3, 2015, 7:00 PM

It wasn't only the spammers. They've still got some plagiarised posts there that I reported months ago. That's far more serious than a bit of spam. I haven't burnt my bridges, but I've certainly put my account in jeopardy with some of the comments I've made there over the last couple of days.

BarbRad wrote on January 3, 2015, 11:30 PM

Sounds like me. I haven't been to PostLoop in ages. On my last few visits the forums I like best were disabled when I arrived. I didn't see one for writing sites.

Gina145 wrote on January 4, 2015, 4:39 AM

BarbRad - The forum I've been posting on wasn't about writing sites, it was about online income. There's quite a lot of discussion about Bubblews there.

Ruby3881 wrote on January 4, 2015, 1:46 PM

A lot of us feel the way you do about those older, positive reviews of Bubblews. I think you did the wise thing, by updating the older posts with a notice and creating a new review.

Gina145 wrote on January 4, 2015, 5:04 PM

Thanks Ruby3881 . I just hope that people don't miss that notice even though it's prominently displayed at the top of the articles. I feel bad that I didn't do something about those reviews sooner, but I kept hoping that my delayed payments would come.

Ruby3881 wrote on January 6, 2015, 5:51 AM

You're not the one who dealt in bad faith, Gina. Don't let them make you feel responsible for something that's their doing!

Gina145 wrote on January 6, 2015, 7:43 AM

I don't feel responsible for what they did, but it does worry me that some people may have joined the site based on positive reviews I no longer believed in.

Ruby3881 wrote on January 7, 2015, 12:34 PM

Anyone who joined before all the changes, was just as cheated as you were. And if anyone joins after the fact, they can read the TOS and judge the earnings in real time. They're less likely to be cheated, because the big promises of a penny per aren't being tossed around anymore.

Link to your updated review, mention prominently that you no longer believe in or recommend the site. That's all you can do. The fact that you feel bad about the possibility of someone else getting cheated, just proves that you are a good person who cares about her fellow writers emoticon :smile:

Gina145 wrote on January 7, 2015, 1:11 PM

Thanks :)