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Downloading Photos from Persona Paper

Ok, y'all. I am very confused. I had never thought about people downloading or copying my photos that I post here until yesterday. Someone said in a comment on one of my post that they would buy a particular print and then another person asked why anyone would buy a photo when they could just copy it from here.

I put at the end of my articles that the photos are my property, but evidently that doesn't matter. People still think it's ok to just download or copy whatever they want. My question to y'all is this:

Is it legal and ok to just copy photos you find online if you don't plan to sell them yourself? I tried to look it up on the Copyright site but couldn't find the information I wanted.

Right now, I'm thinking I won't post any more photos on this site since I know people are copying them. One person told me she did it, even after we talked about this issue. I don't feel like going back and editing every article I have here though so I guess people can just steal away with those photos.

I'm really sad about this.

I'd appreciate any insight on this subject.


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Comments

Lemark wrote on November 8, 2014, 1:44 PM

Downloading photos and using them elsewhere is stealing, of course. But this is a common problem with everything that is publicly accessible on internet. Watermarking your photos is a good idea. You can semi-automate the process. But you are an expert so you know better than me about the technical part.

The ethical part is a different issue. We live in a society where the one and only value is profit :(

xsnmzmamax wrote on November 8, 2014, 1:49 PM

I don't understand why someone would steal a picture to begin with? Don't they have their own selfies, family photos, nature photos, etc? And if not, it doesn't take much to use/buy a camera and upload pictures to a pc and then to here.. sorry you are having second thoughts about uploading pictures because of people stealing them.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 2:06 PM

Evidently it could fall under the fair use policy if they are taking them for personal use. I still don't like it.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 2:07 PM

I see spectacular photos that I'd love to be able to do myself online. That doesn't mean I download or copy them. I just look and enjoy.

xsnmzmamax wrote on November 8, 2014, 2:08 PM

exactly, I don't get why people have to do that.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 2:28 PM

Me neither, but I guess it happens often.

MegL wrote on November 8, 2014, 2:38 PM

If people just want to look at them privately on their own computer, there is not a lot you can do about that. If they want to print them out, then you can frustrate that by uploading them at a low resolution,, such as 72 dpi (dots per inch). They won't look any different on the screen but they can't be used for printing.. There is a way of searching for your photographs online. There is a site that can track them down for you. I don't know how it does it but at least you know where they are and can then take legal proceedings against the thief. Probably a DCMA like you can do for plagiarised writing.

cinnafire wrote on November 8, 2014, 3:00 PM

Wow this sucks. Knowing a little bit about how the internet works there is regrettably little that can be done to really prevent them from doing this. Your best bet is to put some sort of watermark, but either it distracts you from the picture because it has to cover the whole thing or its small where it can be cropped out.

I would suggest putting small resolution images up. It is the best compromise between showing your work and protecting it from being stolen.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 3:19 PM

Yeah, this seems to be the best suggestion, low resolution.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 3:20 PM

It does, and that people don't even care is worse. Once they find out it isn't right or is just rude, they still go ahead.

Ellis wrote on November 8, 2014, 3:21 PM

Both Lemark and MegL have offered the best answers to this problem...also if they are sized fairly small they would make for crap prints anyway. Be aware that you will find your images all over the net in search engines people do not have to come to this site to get them..type AngelSharum into Google images..

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 3:52 PM

Yeah, I've done that. I have a lot of stuff on Google. The photos, even here, are not full size. I guess I could do them all really small. It's just sad that people steal stuff.

Ellis wrote on November 8, 2014, 3:55 PM

You can track down any pics that have been stolen here http://tineye.com/

Lemark wrote on November 8, 2014, 4:09 PM

A good idea. I do resize the photos before I upload them to PP.

Lemark wrote on November 8, 2014, 4:11 PM

If you downsize them they will also load faster here. So there are several advantages. Check out IrfanView or similar utility. You can do a batch of watermarking and downsizing your photos with one click.

chatombreux wrote on November 8, 2014, 5:32 PM

I believe if you are not going to use them publicly, say maybe using one as wallpaper on your desktop, laptop or tablet, it doesn't hurt anything. But, that doesn't mean it's right - it just means that they aren't benefiting financially from it. Still, to tell someone to just copy it when you have clearly marked it as copyrighted is a clear violation of trust and honesty. You cannot just take photos that are marked as copyrighted without asking permission or paying for their use, depending on what the owner wants. It is illegal. Period. I hope you make it clear to the person who said that that if they do that, they would be in violation of copyright law.

Kasman wrote on November 8, 2014, 5:53 PM

I don't think 'Fair Use' applies in this case. It is not a breach of copyright to download a photo from the web (for your own personal viewing pleasure, for instance), the breach occurs when it is published elsewhere without the originator's permission.

Kasman wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:09 PM

Tineye isn't perfect. I use the same avatar everywhere I go and Tineye can't find my Pinterest one (neither can Google Image Search). I have also come across other images which Tineye can't find.

SLGarcia wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:16 PM

I don't download photos here. Is it possible to put some kind of imprint on photos you upload that cannot be removed?

paigea wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:19 PM

How unfortunate that someone here thinks it is okay to steal the work of others.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:30 PM

People I know, who know more about this than I do, are telling me is IS a breach. You are not supposed to just steal someone's photo for any use. You are supposed to ask. I will do an article with a link to something they showed me in a minute.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:32 PM

I did tell her she didn't have my permission so it was wrong. I even ask my friends if it was ok if someone was using the photo for a desktop image or screen saver and they said no, because people sell photos for those purposes. Unless you say the photo is free to use however, then people are supposed to at least ask first.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:33 PM

People have told me about a place to do that. It's on one of the comments on an article here in the last couple days.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:33 PM

Very. It is disrespectful at the very least.

chatombreux wrote on November 8, 2014, 7:56 PM

True - I didn't mean that it was OK to use for wallpaper without asking - just that if someone did that, it was more of a 'no harm no foul' situation. Still wrong, but not overtly harmful. However, using anyone's photo without permission, especially with the implication that it is yours or with the intent to profit, is absolutely wrong. No matter what. I have saved photos I liked (not from here) that I never plan to use anywhere. I just like them and won't remember where I saw them, so I save them so I can view them again. Technically wrong, but I will never make public use of them.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 8:23 PM

I know it has probably happened often. It just irked me that we had already been talking about it being wrong and that she knew I was trying to sell the image somewhere else and then did it anyway.

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on November 8, 2014, 8:32 PM

No matter what kind of business you are in, you are going to be taken advantage of somehow. Don't let a few people cheat you out of the joy of sharing some of your pictures--or cheat us out of the joy of seeing them. I love looking at your photo posts! I would be very disappointed if you stopping doing them.

Feisty56 wrote on November 8, 2014, 8:38 PM

I notice that the person who admitted copying your photo(s) without permission is absent from this discussion.

I don't understand the mindset of taking other people's stuff -- not art work, not writing, not photography. If the excuse is, "Everybody does it," that excuse is invalid. I don't do it, you don't do it -- lots of people don't do it, at least on purpose.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 8:41 PM

I haven't decided what to do yet. I guess I could watermark everything. The photos won't look as pretty but it would solve the problem.

AngelSharum wrote on November 8, 2014, 8:42 PM

I'm finding that a lot of people think it is ok to just take photos as long as you don't try to sell them. Still seems like stealing to me when you don't ask first.

bestwriter wrote on November 9, 2014, 12:56 AM

If you want control over your images then you must copyright them which I suggest you do as soon as possible as you are selling them. There is no other way. No one is going to admit that they have downloaded your images which are not protected. So please go ahead and protect them. Sooner the better.

carmela wrote on November 9, 2014, 2:18 AM

i will be very sad if you wont post anymore photos here cause i really enjoy your photos but i have to respect your decision cause i know youre doing it to protect yourself.

gulp_burp wrote on November 9, 2014, 8:50 AM

This is exactly the same reason my friend avoids posting photos on her posts. But the low resolution suggested by MegL just might work it they want to print out your photo for school projects, for example. It's just not right.

AngelSharum wrote on November 9, 2014, 11:47 AM

I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet. I may still post but put a big, ugly watermark on them.

AngelSharum wrote on November 9, 2014, 11:48 AM

Once more. My photos ARE copyrighted. They have my name on them and they are mine, that means they are copyrighted.

AngelSharum wrote on November 9, 2014, 11:48 AM

I will have to take more precautions somehow.

chatombreux wrote on November 9, 2014, 12:31 PM

Absolutely - once you have told someone, they have no business telling others to ignore the rules. I can't afford to buy anyone's photos, to be honest. And, I can't print them out. I just enjoy them on the hard drive. Still, I know it's wrong, even with that minimal use.

iwrite28 wrote on November 11, 2014, 12:21 AM

Thank you for sharing this information. I didn't know about tineye.

iwrite28 wrote on November 11, 2014, 12:27 AM

Thank you &Lenmark for this information. I would like to use it for both, watermarking and downsizing.