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Not to be a raving maniac, but ... no recipes allowed at that other place!

I have a rule that I try to follow... no complaining about a site in an article on that site. Most times I'm able to just grit my teeth when a site puts out a dumb rule, and then move forward and continue writing there.

And, in general, I try not to write gritchy, "she's a raving maniac" posts, too!

But, today, I really must ignore that last rule about not being a raving maniac and tell you what's on my mind.

I just read a new rule on a site where I write, and I really am a little miffed over it. The site has issues with spammers and copyright infringement, and just decided that the writers there will no longer be allowed to post recipes because of copyright infringement. They say if you change only one ingredient, it's still copyright infringement. And they also said that the owner of the site is a 5 star chef, which I'm assuming was mentioned to impress us with his knowledge of copyright infringement on recipes.

Aaarg! Pttthh! Spit, spit, spit!

I've posted the copyright info about recipes so many times that I know it by heart. A list of ingredients can NOT be copyrighted. What is copyrighted on a recipe is the way the instructions/directions for making the item are written. (You can check it out for yourself at the US Copyright pages.)

That only makes sense, right? After all, won't most bread recipes have a list of ingredients that includes water, flour, yeast, and salt? If ingredients could be copyrighted, there'd be only one bread recipe in the whole world! Knowing my luck, it would be wheat bread, made with those "break your teeth" wheat berries.

And let's tackle their idea that if you change one ingredient, that doesn't make it a new recipe. I think their "5 star chef" site owner should try adding a teaspoon of rosemary into his morning oatmeal and see if that doesn't make it a totally new recipe. Albeit, a pretty gross one.

Alas and alack, it's too bad I can't say anything at the site to change their minds and convince them of their error regarding recipe copyright, because most of us love sharing recipes. So instead, I'll just voice my discontent here. And then give one more word of advice on recipes.

No matter how tempting it is ... don't add that rosemary into your oatmeal.


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momathome wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:07 AM

I hadn't read that one yet, but I can understand. I have actually seen some people paste and copy recipes and it would be hard for them to go through and check out every single recipe on a site to see if someone copied it. My only question now is, what about all the recipes that were written prior to the rule change? Will those now be considered a violation? Or is it going forward from now?

bestwriter wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:08 AM

You are the third person who has written about this. The membership there has gone beyond the site's control which I do not think they expected. They took plagiarism lightly. I was looking at recent posts just a couple of days and the posts were running in to beyond 9000000 . They are clinging on to anything that can bring the membership down. I was wondering why they are not closing the membership temporarily until they settled everything.

DorothyGale wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:23 AM

I can understand their concern with plagiarism. And they have the right to set the rules. But, to set a rule and then use an argument for it that is incorrect really burns me. I can live with a "no recipes allowed" rule, as long as they know what they're talking about with the reasons they give. If they'd said they were doing it because so many people were doing a copy and paste, I would have been fine with it. But, to talk about copyright on recipes and have the info incorrect isn't impressive. As for what happens to the previous recipes that were posted ... I'm assuming they don't need to be deleted. But maybe there'll be more info forthcoming on that.

DorothyGale wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:24 AM

I agree with you ... the situation is out of control. The simplest solution would be what you suggest and to close down new membership for a while. I hope the site is able to survive the problems, because I do enjoy writing there.

Feisty56 wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:32 AM

It would have been better to give no explanation at all rather than an incorrect one. I believe people by the droves are losing confidence in management there. This would be yet another reason for that.

momathome wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:48 AM

DorothyGale Well, I did read the article but where I read the "copyright on recipes" thing was in the comments. I might have just missed it in the post itself but I don't remember seeing it there. Of course those comments are not from admin but people who are just blindly agreeing to kiss up. The thing that concerned me the most is that they are saying that if you post recipes you have to prove it is your own -- how exactly do you do that? I know how you could prove that it is NOT your own but how to you prove you came up with it in your own warped little mind?

momathome wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:50 AM

Feisty56 I know I don't plan on posting any more recipes but it does make me wonder, since they didn't specify, what about the recipes I posted in the past? Will those now cause future payments to not be made? It is the fact that they are not forthright and specific that is causing everyone to lose motivation to continue on the site. I actually had 3 posts written and ready to submit on there today that will not be submitted at this time because I will be waiting for some type of clarification before I do any more on there.

laksh wrote on October 22, 2014, 11:57 AM

hahaha emoticon :grin: Funny one!
But hey, you got it completely wrong. And no surprises, that's the intent of their ambiguous rules. You know they did NOT say that recipe posts aren't allowed. In fact, they will ask for 'proof' to show that the recipe is your own! LOL :D

momathome wrote on October 22, 2014, 12:02 PM

laksh Yes, I know that is what they said, but how do you provide "proof" that you created the recipe. It's easy to prove someone didn't but to prove you did? How exactly would that be done? They sure didn't specify that.

laksh wrote on October 22, 2014, 12:44 PM

They will come up with an explanation to this after a couple of months LOL :D

SLGarcia wrote on October 22, 2014, 1:37 PM

I have reported a number of "copy and pasted" recipes there. There are a lot of them and they are easy to detect. Some people may change a few words in what they have copied, but they are definitely plagiarized. It seems that they have made the decision about recipes because of how commonplace the problem is. Although, what you have brought up about actual copyright issues could very well be part of the issue too. Obviously this is less work for them by requiring proof. Their mistake is not stating precisely what that proof should be. I see the same issues of "copy and paste" articles for car reviews and new items though. Basically, plagiarism is quite rampant there. I have a major issue with them not paying me, so I am definitely not a defender of the site.

momathome wrote on October 22, 2014, 4:01 PM

laksh Well, then I guess it will be that long before I post on there again, lol. Oh well, those posts I wrote for it can wait.

momathome wrote on October 22, 2014, 4:05 PM

&AbbyG which is very typical, lol. Funny part is I just got back into prewriting again and last night I wrote up 3 posts for bubblews and 3 posts for here last night (total of 6 posts). But since this issue has arisen I will only be submitting the 3 I wrote for here today, the others can sit there and wait (none were recipes but under the circumstances....)

bestwriter wrote on October 22, 2014, 8:46 PM

And asking for proof shows their immaturity. Two youngsters with little or no knowledge of human psychology trying to command!!!

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 23, 2014, 1:21 AM

Who posted the new rule? I can't find the post. I found one link, but when I clicked on it, I got a 404 not found error.

WordChazer wrote on October 23, 2014, 2:24 PM

Smacks a bit of desperation. After all, like the eight notes in a scale, there are only so many ingredients that go well together. Sooner or later someone in a kitchen will reinvent the wheel.

WordChazer wrote on October 23, 2014, 2:25 PM

Oh yes, on that note. You know that payment which was due this week? What payment?

Feisty56 wrote on October 23, 2014, 2:31 PM

I would have to guess it's been left open for a reason -- maybe management has yet to decide about payment on past recipe posts. That would be making a rule that was retroactive which seems unfair at best. Unfortunately, once again members there are left with more questions than answers.

momathome wrote on October 23, 2014, 3:18 PM

Feisty56 That's why my posting is on old on there. I didn't post anything I had written for there yet and probably won't until they make an announcement.

PattyTherre wrote on October 23, 2014, 5:33 PM

Haha, he admitted that he never went to culinary school but that his mommy taught him to cook. But I digress. He is whatever he wants to be in his world. The recipe thing is confusing because I have no idea how one can prove it is their own. I mean, change one ingredient and BAM, it's your own. But that isn't enough. I think it's best to not post them at all because they are looking for accounts to delete.

BarbRad wrote on October 24, 2014, 3:47 AM

One thing has been obvious to me since I've been writing on that other site. Whatever the owners are, they are not writers and have no idea what writer puts into her work. If they were and did, they would not keep making decisions that ruin our work or demolish it, and they would let us edit it to keep it up to date. Right now I'm busier deleting what they have ruined there than writing new material. I wonder if they will keep the one recipe I know I posted there.

BarbRad wrote on October 24, 2014, 3:51 AM

Bubblews Support posted it.

DorothyGale wrote on October 26, 2014, 12:55 PM

Thanks for pointing that out. I should have mentioned it in the article. Although that site didn't say recipes are not allowed at all, they did their best to great an environment that doesn't allow them. By asking for proof but not telling the writers how to supply proof -- plus the fact that the only "original" recipes, with "original" ingredients would only happen in the days of Adam and Eve -- they've effectively made it so honest writers can't publish recipes. I have no problem with them disallowing recipes totally. I have a problem with how they're doing it, their level of knowledge of copyright law, and the way the situation is being handled.

DorothyGale wrote on October 26, 2014, 12:58 PM

Almost everyone is having issues with unpaid redemptions, but most of us are trying -- like you -- to be patient. Still, patience only goes so far.

DorothyGale wrote on October 26, 2014, 1:04 PM

Aw drat, wish I had bookmarked the page after I read it. Sorry. If I run across it again, I'll let you know where to find it. As BarbRad said, it was posted by Bubblews Support

DorothyGale wrote on October 26, 2014, 1:06 PM

Ooo, that was an excellent comparision! Is there really any original music? After all, they all use the same 8 notes! :)

DorothyGale wrote on October 26, 2014, 1:10 PM

I'm with you ... I think it's best not to post recipes at all, rather than risk it. I just hope they let the recipes out there stay up. There are a lot of good ones.

DorothyGale wrote on October 26, 2014, 1:12 PM

Hopefully things will straighten out soon and we can all get back to writing, rather than worrying about what a past rule is doing to our work, or what a new rule might do.

laksh wrote on October 26, 2014, 1:38 PM

They deleted that post within a day! It must have struck them in their dreams that they did something stupid!

WordChazer wrote on October 26, 2014, 1:54 PM

I suggested they did just that until things were under control. They'd not be the first nor the last to do that either. Trouble is, it appears that it's only certain countries which are causing the plagiarism, but you can't blanket restrict access to certain countries like that anymore online, for fear of being called all kinds of names. Anyway the savvy ones would just use virtual private networks to make it look as if they were in the US or Europe, so you'd be right back where you were. And $1 to someone on a lower cost of living than the US or Europe is worth a darn sight more than the 62p it is to me right now, or 79 cents to someone in Europe.

bestwriter wrote on October 26, 2014, 9:36 PM

It is no longer that countries have just those people who are native to that country. There is a mix everywhere and so pointing at certain countries is another mistake they have done.

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 26, 2014, 11:33 PM

I was thinking it must have been deleted, because all I could find was a dead link.

WordChazer wrote on October 27, 2014, 4:13 PM

Don't often agree with you, bestwriter , but there you have it right.