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Criticizing the Site that Buys a Friend's Groceries

Bubblews is taking a lot of criticism for its decision to increase the redemption delay for international users, and I can't say I blame anyone who is angry about it. I'm from Canada, so I'm fortunate to be in one of the three exempted countries. I honestly think I'd be spitting nails were I not exempted!

That being said, I'm disappointed when I read some of the comments I've seen about how Bubblews isn't a legitimate site. The fact is, the site now has a membership of some 300,000. And it's still able to pay out a penny for every page view, like or comment I earn. Yes, it's taking a while to get those redemption payments. But I can consistently earn about $200 a month there. It's not a lot, but it's nothing to turn my nose up at either. It helps to pay the bills, which is something I can be proud of.

I've never earned that much on another paid to write site. I think I tipped the scales at Yahoo with around $60/month, but a good many other sites only pay a pittance compared with YCN. I've been here on Persona Paper since June, and so far all I've accrued is $3.34. My tally from InfoBarrel isn't any better.

I'm not pleased with all the decisions the Bubblews admin make. And I honestly think they've made a few really wrong turns that have led us to this place where they're going to hold back earnings extra long.

But I'm earning there, and getting paid. If I start earning better somewhere else, maybe I'll drop them. But for now, it's better than a kick in the pants. And that's why so many folks put up with all the inconsistencies and site outages, and whatever else they throw at us. Maybe there's somewhat of a loss of dignity in that. But do you suppose you're saving anyone's dignity when you sling mud at the site that pays for our groceries?

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alexdg1 wrote on October 11, 2014, 11:25 PM

I think that we should be angrier with the so-called "members" who think it's better to try and game the Bubblews system by spamming, stealing content from other sites, and "spinning" articles instead of taking a few minutes to create actual, readable posts. I don't care where they are from; whether they're from the three "most favored nations" or from the "usual suspects" in Asia and elsewhere, they are hurting the site and us! Sure, Bubblews has itself to blame, too. They've made a few bad calls and they need to address certain issues, but the cheaters are the worst problem right now, in my opinion.

bestwriter wrote on October 11, 2014, 11:30 PM

A Canadian saying it is nothing new. Soon we will see Americans and those from the UK joining your bandwagon. As I have said in a response to your comment, here individuals perform and not groups. There are some individuals from countries who are given the step motherly treatment who are far superior, honest, sincere and I am one of them :grin:

Arvind Dixit has squarely lost something precious. My condolences to him. :cool:

bestwriter wrote on October 11, 2014, 11:43 PM

And by the way I am told they will not delete accounts. Rightly so. They will earn one hundred percent from these posts but they will not pay but pay to those wonderful accounts from those 3 countries. Rob Peter to pay Paul!!!.

allen0187 wrote on October 11, 2014, 11:51 PM

I'm with alexdg1 , the cheaters are the main problem of bubble ooze. Of course, with their recent decision, one can point a finger at them and tell them they cheated their members as well.

bestwriter wrote on October 12, 2014, 12:40 AM

I too am with alexdg1 but I doubt if they have a fool proof system. Hope they will not do the 'eena meena mina mo' method. And if they are serious about eradication they should do that at a global level and not select countries for this exercise. .

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 12, 2014, 12:59 AM

I don't make what I used to, but a lot of that is because I don't post as much on Bubblews as I used to. And there are a number of reasons for that that have to do with many of the various changes that have happened the last few months that I have not liked at all, changes that have had a very negative effect on me, my work, and my income.

That said, I have finally gotten back to the numbers on individual posts that I was seeing before July. Bubblews does have the best pay rate I've seen, and I need the money. I don't enjoy it like I used to, I'm having trust issues on both a financial and creative level, and it's sometimes very stressful, but as long as they do keep paying, I'll probably keep writing. I agree that there seems to be a lot of bad decisions made, and I hope they recover from them. I'd hate to see them go the way of too many other sites.

BarbRad wrote on October 12, 2014, 1:01 AM

I tend to agree with you. I don't think it's run by scammers, but by idealists who bit off more than they can chew with the resources they have.

JanetJenson wrote on October 12, 2014, 2:34 AM

Yep, I see a lot of people biting the hand that feeds them and I think that is rather self-defeating.

paperdaisyflower7 wrote on October 12, 2014, 2:44 AM

I might be the only one commenting from the 3rd world country. I understand most of the manipulators came from Asian countries and mostly from Pakistan,and some Philippines. I have been with Bubblews since Nov. 2012 and I am hoping they will consider me in their exemption because my account was never deleted, no violations or manipulations either. I have earned over $2000 in total a few unpaid but happened mid 2013 when they were upgrading.
I am still there because now I earn around $150+ a month and that is big when converted almost 7000 pesos. So i do need this and form other sites no matter how small.

Scorpie wrote on October 12, 2014, 8:32 AM

The site does not pay for squat. It's the members hard work that earns them money, not the magnanimity of bubble ooze.

SLGarcia wrote on October 12, 2014, 12:44 PM

You are fortunate that you have been paid consistently. I am one of those who has not. I'm in the U.S. and I have not violated any rules there. It seems there are some who are paid regularly there but quite a few like me who are not. The fact is I will read articles there of the connections I enjoy following, along with commenting, but I won't write there any longer until I am finally paid. If that doesn't happen in the not too distant future, I will remove my account from the site. I certainly will not have anything good to say about it if that occurs.

LoudMan wrote on October 12, 2014, 1:00 PM

Great. I'm glad to hear you do well with them. But they done messed up. They've done it, themselves. I'll continue on in occasionally sharing my encounter with them.

alexdg1 wrote on October 12, 2014, 1:10 PM

I sometimes get the feeling that Avi and Jason did not think matters all the way through, especially regarding how to deal with members (for good and ill), financing, and being proactive about bad apples and cheaters. They also need a refresher course on Web Site Design 1011; the whole fiasco about images, for instance; that's on Bubblews' corner, not ours. Everything that's happening regarding payments and seems like improvised reactions instead of forward-looking innovative thinking.

Kasman wrote on October 12, 2014, 2:30 PM

Bubble Ooze always seems to be playing 'catch up' with itself. They introduce rules far too late and implement policies which are way behind events. Bubble Ooze is now a 'two-tier' site - to the detriment of its reputation (what's left of it) and is an insult to those many honest and upright bubblers from those countries now classed by Bubble Ooze as 'inferior'. I am still there for one reason and one reason only - I am still being paid. When that stops I'm outta there!

AliCanary wrote on October 13, 2014, 2:43 AM

The reason that I do not actually take my action to a higher level than grumbling--for example, lodging a complaint with AdSense or with the Better Business Bureau in San Francisco, or writing detailed excoriations of them on more public outlets, is that I am aware that many people depend on the site who may not have alternative ways to make an income. That said, their treatment of me and many other good, honest writers has been execrable, and I will not pretend there's nothing wrong. I'm not gunning to take the site down, but I will not ever kiss ass for anything.

AngelSharum wrote on October 13, 2014, 1:59 PM

My brother feels the same as you. He lives with, and takes care of, our mom so doesn't have an outside job. Bubblews helps them eat and have gas money.

alexdg1 wrote on October 13, 2014, 7:57 PM

Idealism is nice. But having a real-world strategy, knowing how to treat people with courtesy, and setting realistic goals is nicer.

AbbyBiha wrote on October 13, 2014, 9:56 PM

I guess all the delayed payments for international users is because of the spammers, plagiarist and cheaters who wanted to earn quick bucks by cheating. They do not have the conscience to be doing this that can hurt a lot of other honest users.

BarbRad wrote on October 13, 2014, 10:03 PM

Very true.

chatombreux wrote on October 14, 2014, 8:22 PM

I'm lucky if I get $50/month, but I think they're doing what they have to in order to find the scammers and make those receiving payment be only those who deserve to receive payment. They don't have a large staff and adding to it would take money away from those of us with whom they share it. But, all the plagiarizers and group likers, etc, have generally proven to be from specific regions around the world (remember the Nigerian email fraud scams?) Yes, the UK, Canada and the US have also had scammers, but there are far fewer of us than there are of the rest of the world's Bubblers with them having the lion's share of those attempting to defraud. But, like they said, people who have been with the B for a long time without issue are known, no matter where they live, so they won't be affected by the new change. Just those who haven't established themselves so that staff has a chance to see if they're legit. Yes, I'd not be happy and would be in a bit of a panic right now if we were the "chosen" ones, but I would also understand and try to figure out something else to do in the meantime.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:03 AM

I agree that the cheaters are to blame for a lot - then again, Bubblews chose to tolerate them when they could have taken steps to eliminate them a long time ago...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:08 AM

My country has nothing to do with the fact that I dislike seeing people call a site names. Even today when I am angry at the sudden changes and the underhanded way they sneaked in a slash in the pay rates, I still think the people who are loudly condemning Bubblews (or whatever site, or whatever job) ought to try and remember that if it pays a friend's bills it still has some value. Calling the site down over and over and using rude language instead of the site's actual name, is not building anyone up. It just tears things down.

As for your superiority, honesty and sincerity, I think you were missing modesty in the bunch.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:09 AM

I was actually thinking more of a select few people who've left the site, and who seem determined to call it down at every chance they get.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:10 AM

I think by lowering their rates, they've lost any advantage they had over other sites.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:12 AM

I think there's more than idealism going on there, but I don't think they intended to be scammers.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:14 AM

One of the interviews they gave featured a guy talking about how most of the people he interviews for his show, a year later they've moved onto a new project. Either Bubblews is going to take off majorly as a purely social networking site, or it's going to fail miserably by alienating the best writers it has.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:16 AM

I hope you can find a way to replace those earnings! It looks like it's going to be considerably less money now...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:18 AM

I can work hard all I want on Facebook, but it won't pay me squat. The site has to come up with the money and offer a revenue share for me to get it. As was amply proved today when they slashed the rates, Bubblews and their admin have everything to do with the fact that I get paid - and with the amount I warn too.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:19 AM

What do you think now the rates have been slashed? Will you earn even $100 a month now?

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:22 AM

I haven't asked anyone to ignore the problems on the site. In fact I'm one who often highlights them. I just don't care for the way some people are badmouthing the site. Stating the facts is one thing, but name calling is another.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:24 AM

I agree with you, especially the moves they made today. I still think it's important to remember that there are those among us who are continuing to earn there. Stating facts is fine, but name calling is what I'm seeing.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:27 AM

I think they need to take a giant step back, and leave the running of the site to people who know how. I also think that the site needs to hire staff with actual web writing know-how. And someone who has decent communication skills, who can be counted on to help them decide when & how to make changes - and how to announce them.

bestwriter wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:39 AM

When the trumpeter is dead one needs to blow one's own trumpet emoticon :grin:

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:43 AM

Don't you just love it when you make a comment, turn around, and suddenly it's outdated? Sigh. Well, some of what I commented still holds true, only more so. Chalk me up a few more trust issues.

There are two positive things, though, should be the return of the missing text and the ability to delete without penalty.

OldRoadsOnceTraveled wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:48 AM

I can't see it surviving as a purely social site. Where would it be without both 1) search engines and external ad viewers, and 2) it's best writers? And they're losing both.

somedsatisfied wrote on October 15, 2014, 1:39 PM

Agreed. I am disappointed with the recent changes over there but I was making a decent month earning of "spare cash" that could buy groceries, pay a few bills, etc. It was definitely real money. I don't care what anyone has to say about it or the site; my money spent just the same. hehe

Marilisa wrote on October 15, 2014, 3:05 PM

YCN was my bread and butter. Bubblews has been a good earner for me. But getting delayed and missing payments is what stresses me. Not the wait period so much.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 15, 2014, 7:33 PM

In a way, this new policy might help to underline just how many of the problems are caused by the cheats, and how many are the result of mismanagement.

LoudMan wrote on October 15, 2014, 9:44 PM

ell sometimes, names are deserved. Hey, how's abut those new rates? Hey? Pretty good, hey?

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 12:39 AM

I think this might be why they're shifting to a 60-day wait for redemptions. It makes the look more fair, but buys them time with all their users.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 12:41 AM

I prefer your attitude to some of the others I've encountered, Ali. Thanks for understanding that some folks still depend on them for a living!

Just out of curiosity, how does an AdSense complaint work?

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 2:05 AM

Who is your brother, Angel? I didn't realize you had a brother on Bubblews...

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 2:44 AM

I suspect it's more a matter of Bubblews having trouble keeping up with the payments. They have been paying too much. Paying the plagiarists hurts the site too, but from the looks of things I think they were refusing payment on an awful lot of borderline users, who just kept Bubbling away. I suspect that makes up for the ones that slipped through the cracks.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 2:49 AM

I don't really think the extra time is about deep scans to catch plagiarists. They have so many options to catch and prevent plagiarism, but they've refused to use any of them, no matter what happens. I think they finally just can't afford the rates they've been paying. Which is why they changed the rate.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 2:53 AM

I hate to see people bad-mouthing and using rude names for a site where their friends are still writing. Especially when it comes to folks who are new to web writing, or maybe just returning to writing after a long absence - if someone is making light of the site it's as if they were making fun of the people who write there as well.

Ruby3881 wrote on October 16, 2014, 2:55 AM

I never had a payment that was missed, except for one this July that I had forgotten about. As soon as I reported it, they paid within hours. That was very reassuring. Compared to that, the current situation feels rather bleak :(

momathome wrote on October 16, 2014, 3:17 PM

Actually, the penny per page view, comment and like is no longer correct. I don't know exactly what it is now but it is much less than 1 cent per view/like/comment. I can't say I'm happy with all the changes they have made, although there are a few I like (the new history feature, updates to the flag feature, etc.) but they were a godsend for me last year and I've made a lot of friends on there so I will definitely be sticking around -- although I won't be posting as much as I used to and I won't be posting a lot of tutorials or detailed informational posts like I used to.

AliCanary wrote on October 16, 2014, 3:49 PM

You would contact Google (I would do it via the AdSense portal, since I have an account) and complain that there is a site with an overwhelming amount of plagiarized / spun content. poddys got Google to dump the two sites that scraped our content off Yahoo Voices, lickety-split.

AngelSharum wrote on October 17, 2014, 11:46 AM

Colmanwigger He goes by his real name like

WordChazer wrote on October 18, 2014, 8:17 AM

I'm still jury out sitting on the fence. I haven't written there much in the last week due to being super-busy at work, so I've not seen what it has done to my earnings. I have a payment due this week and half of another accruing slowly. As I mentioned in another comment, I mainly use the site for my reviews, and I have other outlets I can use to post those. As alexdg1 says, the anger should be directed at the morons who think it is acceptable practice to game the system rather than at the admin team trying to prevent them. The one mistake they made was not having screening for new members. If there had been a screening policy or a way to hold new members' earnings until they had shown they could write decently, half the pickle would have been averted.

WordChazer wrote on October 18, 2014, 8:23 AM

Some other South Asian countries in that area also had a scammer run on there. Vietnam was one name being bandied around for a while as being a serial producer of people writing posts of lesser quality. For me as a Brit, $50 is around £30 and it takes me over a month to get there with all the other things I have to fit in a day.

WordChazer wrote on October 18, 2014, 8:25 AM

Trouble is that all takes money, and money is the one thing the change in rates proves that they do not have. Maybe because their advertisers are running scared from the tidal wave of spam?

chatombreux wrote on October 19, 2014, 10:42 PM

I suppose that's possible, but they've gone to such great lengths to get the site out into the public's eye - press releases, interviews, etc. I've never seen another site do that. They have more than money to lose, so for now, I'm still going to trust that they are trying to make things work.